Vernon Adams not the future

Who is convinced he's our starter ? His coach said there was something to build on... The RDS crew liked that he could extend plays and Vercheval said the weather was awful.

He did manage to outplay Durant in Saskatchewan who was on a four game winning streak, including Ottawa and Edmonton. Which does give the weather implication weight.

Multiple members say they feel more comfortable with Adams as the starter.

He did manage to outplay Durant in Saskatchewan who was on a four game winning streak, including Ottawa and Edmonton. Which does give the weather implication weight.
Debatable whether he outplayed Durant IMO.

But in any case, I would go back to Cato for the next game but keep the O-line changed and the 4-3 fronts.

I don't expect he's pulled him after a road win. Myself I want to see what kind of arm he's got and how he plays with teams having some film on him. I didn't like how he threw the ball but it was one game. He did well handling shotgun snaps...

Why replace Vernon after 1 game/1 win? To me, it would makes no sense. The coaches know what Cato can and can't or won't do. They don't know that much about Vernon. I am not saying that Rakeem should not play, but definitely not be the starter for the next and last home game.

Richard

Vercheval`s take on Adams:

Vernon Adams fils a offert une performance intéressante. Au niveau statistique, il a été correct sans être éclatant. Je l’ai trouvé bon, mais c’est au-delà des chiffres que c’était rafraîchissant. Parce que si on ne prend pas le contexte en considération et qu’on ne se fie qu’à la feuille du match, ça ne donnera pas un portrait juste de la situation.

Il a eu seulement une semaine d’entraînement avec l’unité no 1, c’est sa première année dans la LCF, c’est son premier match comme partant, sur la route, dans un environnement hostile comme la Saskatchewan. Les conditions n’étaient pas vraiment belles non plus avec la pluie. Il faut ajouter que la défense des Roughriders est l’une des meilleures statistiquement depuis les cinq derniers matchs (elle n’a alloué que 19 points par rencontre au cours de cette période). Oui, l’équipe était éliminée et elle avait la pire fiche dans l’Ouest, mais dans le dernier droit, elle a joué de l’excellent football, notamment en défense. Malgré tout ça, Adams en a fait juste assez, il a été bon quand ça comptait. Il s’est fié à son instinct et ses jambes ont fait la différence. C’était un gros défi pour lui dans ce contexte. Surtout qu’on a donné un choix de première ronde pour lui, qu’il a conscience que c’est son premier match et qu’on en fait l’évaluation pour 2017.

Il a bien géré son match et ses émotions. Je ne l’ai pas vu paniquer. J’ai vu un jeune qui était en contrôle, qui avait un bon sang-froid. Bref, tout ce que Rakeem Cato n’a pas démontré à Calgary, Adams l’a fait en Saskatchewan. J’ai aussi vu un gars positif. Quand on y pense, il aurait eu toutes les raisons de s’énerver quand on constate les six sacs du quart qu’il a encaissés juste en première demie, en plus des trois ou quatre passes échappées par ses receveurs. Il aurait pu montrer des gestes de frustration, mais il est resté positif, il n’a pointé personne du doigt. C’est ça qui m’intéresse dans la performance de Vernon Adams. Je l’ai trouvé calme pour un jeune quart, il a bien sorti du caucus et il a bien géré la ligne d’engagement. Je l’ai même vu travailler avec la cadence silencieuse et faire la technique du faux départ où tu fais croire à la défense adverse que tes receveurs partent en mouvement pour amorcer le jeu, mais qu’ils arrêtent à la ligne d’engagement pour forcer la défense qui pense que le jeu débute à montrer ses cartes. C’est alors que tu te réinstalles et que tu décides de conserver ou changer le jeu. Adams a donc changé la cadence, alors qu’avec Cato, c’était toujours la même chose et l’adversaire le voyait venir.

Sinon, quand on regarde les 177 verges amassées par la passe, là-dessus il y en a eu 106 après l’attrapé. C’était donc de courtes passes suivies de courses, mais c’était correct. Ce qui est davantage ressorti du lot, c’est sa mobilité, son jeu de pieds. Il a fait de belles courses, il a gagné du temps, il a évité des sacs du quart. Sur un jeu, il s’est carrément déguisé en Houdini. Il s’est sorti du trouble alors qu’il aurait dû y avoir sac du quart. Puis il a lancé une superbe passe à Nik Lewis qui est devenu un long jeu. Sur sa passe à Marcus Henry, il a couru partout, il a gagné du temps et il a finalement quitté sa pochette du côté gauche pour repérer son receveur. Il garde les jeux en vie, surtout avec les problèmes de protection et de ligne à l’attaque. Bien des quarts, même des vétérans, n’auraient pas su garder le moral comme lui. Il aurait pu avoir encore plus de sacs, et si ça avait été Cato, c’est sûr qu’il se serait fait avoir. Adams est beaucoup plus solide sur ses jambes et beaucoup moins nerveux dans sa pochette. Il a protégé le ballon et n’a subi qu’un revirement. Et même que l’interception, une longue passe, est devenue comme un beau botté de dégagement car ça a refoulé la Saskatchewan profondément dans son territoire. Quelques jeux plus tard, la Saskatchewan était victime d’un revirement…

Par contre, il ne faut pas non plus trop s’emballer. On se souviendra tous que lors du premier départ de Rakeem Cato à Montréal contre Calgary, il avait offert une prestation incroyable et on se disait que ça y était. Puis à son second départ à Winnipeg, ça avait été difficile, et maintenant on connaît la suite. Je ne dis pas qu’Adams est le prochain sauveur, mais je trouve qu’il a bien réagi au-delà des chiffres. Car ce que je retiens, c’est son langage corporel, son attitude sur le terrain comme dans le caucus et sur les lignes de côté. C’est aussi l’interaction avec ses coéquipiers.

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[i]Not one word on his lack of arm strength?!

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Johnny you gave an excellent analysis of Adams` game, and I agree with what we saw in regards to his arm strength. But it did not appear to be an issue in college, so I want to see a bigger sample.

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I`m certainly not annointing him as yet, but he merits a longer look.

[i]There is no harm in playing him the next two games to get a better look. Johnny does not want him to fail. He does have a lot of positives.

But, let's hope the throws we saw last game, were a result of the ball being wet and slippery. He still has a weird motion and low launch point. Maybe this is why Jones wanted to contain him in the pocket.

A 6'3" QB who has a normal motion, will release the ball a little over his head, about 6 inches. That means the ball launches at a height of about 6'9"

When a QB who is 5'11" releases the ball at the height of his ears, the launch point of the ball is about 5'9", a whole foot lower. His passes will certainly be much easier to bat down. His passes will also probably have some difficulty clearing the heads of his offensive lineman if he is close to them. Again , this is probably why Jones wanted to keep him in the pocket.

He faces Calgary's defence next! :cry: [/i]

His college scouting reports actually say he's fine with the long ball but is erratic in the short passing game.... It is only one game in terrible weather.

Which is not to say they are comfortable with Adams as the de facto #1 next season. Many have lost faith in Cato, if they ever had it. I still see Cato as having a great arm but who seems to "get lost" too often and likely just needs the game to "slow down" for him. Definitely worth holding onto unless he has a contract with a BIG escalator for next season.

I am curious about Adams and hope that thee next two games give a better idea (positive or negative) of his potential.

Frankly, I am also surprised by what seems to be your a "dislike" of Adams (as a QB, not the person), even before Saturday, based on very minimal playing time to judge.

I agree that the Als are in evaluation mode as they should be. They need to have a concise plan for the QB position next season and that requires they have as much information as possible on what they have or don't have. The team that will benefit the most from game film on Adams is the Als.

I don't dislike him. Not sure where you're getting that from. What I dislike is the way we continually grind young QBs under without giving them a fair chance to prove themselves. I'm sure Cato would have loved to start with Blake at LT, a good defensive pass rush, and a defense that held the other team to 12 points.

Cato is the superior QB of the two. Adams may turn into something good, but he is completely unproven, and the game didn't do anything to improve my impression of him.

So basically he's Crompton.

Crompton didn't even get that

Inconsistent passer with above average physical tools who should earn the Chargers #3 quarterback job.

Well, we'll see. Like I said, I want Cato to get another start with the new O-line and the changes Chap has made elsewhere on the roster. He is the best hope we have right now for a legit starter. What he needs is calmness and focus, which the coaches -- Calvillo in particular -- should be providing. This is why I would really like Anthony at field level, working with the QBs in game. Let someone else (Bolduc, maybe) man the spotter's booth.

Well, we'll see. Like I said, I want Cato to get another start with the new O-line and the changes Chap has made elsewhere on the roster. He is the best hope we have right now for a legit starter. What he needs is calmness and focus, which the coaches -- Calvillo in particular -- should be providing. This is why I would really like Anthony at field level, working with the QBs in game. Let someone else (Bolduc, maybe) man the spotter's booth.
Wow, if only you were this sold on Cato at the start of the season, lol

Nice cheap shot there. Talk about football, not other members.

Yes, wow, isn't it weird how I am willing to let empirical evidence influence my opinion? How I can have an opinion, at season's start, and then change it based on what I see with my eyes? I know I should just blindly hold the same opinion in a death-grip, despite evidence to the contrary, because being a fan means doing your best to show the world that you were right all along. I mean, that's what it's about, right? :lol:

In training camp, Cato was a complete unknown. He'd been pushed down on the depth chart, we were concerned that he had lost the no. 2 job in training camp, and the difficulties last season made his potential this year anybody's guess. But guess what? Since the start of the season many months ago, Cato has seen his fair share of playing time, and it's based on his performance that I am solidly in his corner, especially now that Glenn is gone. I would have liked Cato brought along the right way, not rushed into action, but that option disappeared when we traded Glenn away. In the absence of any better option, Cato gives us the best chance to win. I have also never hid my appreciation of his ability to make all the throws. The guy can hit any target anywhere on the field with accuracy and whatever kind of speed is required: touch, heat, whatever. He can thread a needle.

You seem to think that any time I criticize the team's handling of the QB position, I must automatically hate the QB. Which is not only off-base but flat-out stupid. I have nothing against Vernon Adams. But I want him, and Cato, to be put in a position to succeed. Throwing a first-year pro into the fire when you know you have issues on the O-line to address and a bunch of other factors that could cloud the evaluation? Not a great move. And to hear people talk afterward, you'd think Adams threw for 300 yards and dissected a terrible Rider team, when really, he was Crompton-esque in his performance and we basically won on the strength of our defense. But a W in the column and people lose all sense of proportion. I want what's best for the team, and right now, what's best for the team is not Vernon Adams as the starter.

Foe that shiat....

You can develop a game designed for Adams . He has athletic ability and can up his arm strength . Cato I would let go or develop him for back up only . Cato has to get rid of whatever is haunting him and see a counselor to give him some guidance for stress and focus . I wish him well he has seen a lot in his life .

For Adams I would use more roll out passes and dump over centre . Have a good ground game and with Adams speed/agility you will have a true QB .

Tom Wilkinson had no arm but he won championships and had no athletic ability . I think Adams looked more
confident than Cato and was unfazed after getting hit .

You might have a weaker arm version of Callaros but I think a more durable version and quicker . Unless you find someone else I would take that victory in Regina and build on it .

The roughies were on a win streak and the Als pulled out a victory in a hard fought game . Give Adams the ball and use a game plan designed on his strengths .

You have to remember many of his throws were on the run and very few QB's CFL or NFL can throw on the run properly . That's why Johnny Football was so coveted he could throw on the run and looked at what happened to him.

He's playing two very good football team in the coming weeks. We'll see.
If he can move and protect the football against Calgary that would go a long way in telling the organization what they have.

As for Cato. I think. I understand where he was coming from this year and Popp's firing and cuts made last week prove it. This is a guy who understands his opportunity is life altering and fleeting while the millionaires while Jim Kardashian and his daughters are more interested being socialites. If the Als decide to move on from Cato I hope they trade or cut him so he can have another opportunity somewhere else. As crazy as it seems Cato strikes me as someone who has never had to manage adversity on a football field.