U of Waterloo football team suspended

Ouch… Not sure I fully agree. The article says they test the entire team, and 9 out of 62 guys tested positive for steroids. How do you end a season for 9 guys? I could maybe understand if there were 20 or 30 guys… but 9? Sucks for the other 53 guys. :?

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Agreed though it would not be surprising that there is far more the story that is so incriminating that those making this call figured to just stop there and call it a season. Where there is smoke, there is fire is usually and all too often the case.

An update on the situation. I loved the comment by Copeland at the end. Tough life lesson? What exactly are the clean kids supposed to learn from this? They got screwed, plain and simple.

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Indeed for sure Chief, and they are screwed chiefly because the legal system incents and practically requires that the university act prudently also to mitigate its legal exposure and cooperate with the criminal investigation that has begun. Damn the ethical solution of course.

We really went in depth on this matter earlier today in the Ti-Cats thread from a legal perspective playing armchair attorney. :stuck_out_tongue:

The good news is that should the criminal investigation yield enough evidence for charges and then later convictions, the names of the innocent or "not positives" will be cleared but that's only YEARS later.

The university is also careful to treat all students collectively the same and not single anyone out at this point before the criminal investigation to avoid a serious rats' nest of additional litigation IMHO. Think defamation, discrimination, medical privacy, and other ugly legal stuff here.

For the 53, innocent until proven guilty. Makes no sense to suspend the whole program and if they can't prove wrongdoing by those 53 guys don't punish them.

Right on, and it only made sense in the interests of the university and all associated who with regard to this matter were not only negligent but in likely dereliction of fiduciary duty, with such action to suspend the whole program only in their interests to attempt to minimise all the looming damage legal or otherwise. :expressionless:

That's the real problem right there with the innocents smeared until their names are cleared, though it appears now thankfully that such vindication will happen sooner with the criminal investigation underway rather than typically later after some very long (and all too often corrupt) criminal investigation.

An excellent piece by Glen Suitor. I couldn't agree with him more. This was definitely an overreaction, and sadly the innocent are paying for the mistakes of the guilty. :thdn:


The CIS and University Athletics in this country is ran by a bunch of incompetent bums in my opinion. I say that based on several reasons, but it's really unfortunate for the clean players to be punished. A lot of them were going to be playing their last games ever. They weren't going to be CFL prospects, weren't going to get NFL invites, etc. They were just enjoying a sport they loved, while at university. Now they take it away from them because of their (powers at be) incompetence.

Waterloo's program will likely never recover. Very unfortunate.

Total and complete overkill by the University. To ruin the careers (and possibly the program) over 9 guys is unspeakably stupid. The schools admin needs to get off its high horse and take waaaaaaay better care of the remaining student athletes who represent the school so well.

It wasn't the CIS or the university's athletic department who suspended the program. It was the vice-president of academics and provost Feridun Hamdullahpur. At least the CIS has relaxed the transfer rules for the 53 who tested negative but it's still going to be next to impossible for most of them to transfer to another school to play.

there is no way that most of those other players didnt know what was going on. Know about it and saying nothing makes you just as guilty as doing it. Its not a case of 53 "innocent" players. Some yes, most no, and who knows who.