TURKEYBEND FOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi. I am a Riders season ticket holder who sits two down from the man they call Turkeybend at Mosiac / Taylor Field. I witnessed a distraught turkey farmer flapping his wings while being removed from the stadium after it was ruled that Wexler dropped the ball. My understanding is, after talking to authorities, that the man they call Turkey was taken to the psych ward again under care of Nurse Ratchit. Apparently his roommate in the next bed is a man called Wally B. from Vancouver who was sent to see this specialist who deals with people with EXTRA-ORDINARY EXPECTATIONS SYNDROME, a most frightening epidemic usually confined to Rider and Toronto Maple Leaf fans. Wally B. was equally distraught talking unintelligibly in his sleep muttering , "Casey come home, Casey come home", while in the next bed the man called Turkey was replying loudly , " 22-0, 22-0, Miller - don't go for it on 3rd down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Nurse Ratchit assures us that both Wally B. and TBend will stabilize and be released sometime next week!!!! :? :? :? :?

One last comment though. Who is in first place in the West???
Riders are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cowboy: :rockin:
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Calgary is in first. ( plus minus )
SK not even in second, Edm gets that tie breaker as well, with the victory over SK. 3rd isn't to bad.

The Riders are last place material with Durant as qb and Miller as coach, not my words, just what I'm gleaming from others "out there".

Believe it or not...EDMONTON!!!!

The first tie-breaker is the record against the other tied teams. Edmonton is 1-0 against Calgary and Saskatchewan, Calgary has yet to play Edmonton or Saskatchewan, and Saskatchewan is 0-1 against Edmonton and Calgary.

That means the official standings are:

  1. Edmonton
  2. Calgary
  3. Saskatchewan

With B.C. sitting in 4th.

Calgary has played neither, so you can't use that tie breaker formula with Calgary. Calgary is first on points for and against. I think ? But SK is 3rd. This site has cgy first and I think most newspapers do as well. Not that it matters much after 4 games. I know 1st tie breaker is head to head and if that's tied , then it for and against in those head to head matches. After that , they play horshoes to decide ! From what i have read is 1. CGY 2. EDM 3. SK

But Edmonton has won the greater number of games played against the other tied clubs. Nowhere do the rules say that in order for this to be considered, all teams must have played at least one game against the other tied clubs. Edmonton has one win, Calgary and Saskatchewan have 0.

The tie between Calgary and Saskatchewan is then broken by the fact that Calgary has a higher net aggregate of points in games played against teams in the division. Calgary is +38, Saskatchewan is -5.

Anyone who lists them otherwise is not listing them according to the CFL rules. Those newspapers (and this web site) are probably listing them based on their record versus the division (1-0 is better than 1-1). That's because sorting them based on wins against tied teams is not easily done automatically. This is not a bad alternative (notice that it puts Hamilton and Toronto in their correct position), especially early in the season when a lot of teams haven't faced off yet. But at the end of the year, when playoff positions are being determined, it must be done correctly.

There is nothing in the tiebreaker rules on how to break a tie, if one of the tied teams has not played the other two. Those tie breakers are used under the assumption that all 3 teams have played each other. This is not the case. It will be settled for a bit this week when, SK and CGY play.

There doesn't have to be. The tie-breaker rules are as they are.

Says you. Do you honestly believe the CFL rule book was written making "assumptions"? It describes in detail the dimensions and air pressure in a football! They don't even assume the ball has been inflated.
Besides, it could be said that the standings themselves are based on that same assumption; therefore, until all teams have played all other teams, they are equally invalid. But we have to display the standings, so we display them based on the games that have been played.

When there is a tie, the tie must be broken in order for the standings to be displayed. Since it's early in the season, all we have to go on is the games that have been played, and according to the CFL tie-breaking rules, that would be:

  1. Edmonton
  2. Calgary
  3. Saskatchewan

By the end of the year, every team will have played every other team, and the standings will be more meaningful. But even in mid-season, the standings should be displayed according to the CFL rules.

So this site has the standings wrong?

Tie breaking rules are as follows

http://www.cfl.ca/page/game_rule_tiebreak

1) has won the greater number of games played against all member Clubs of the League

All Three teams have won 2 games

2) has won the greater number of games played against the other tied Club(s)

Edmonton has won 1 game against the other tied teams
SSK has won 0 games against the other tied teams
Calgary has won 1 game against the other tied teams

SSK is eliminated
Calgary and Edm are now tied for 1st place

3) has scored the higher net aggregate of points (i.e. points scored for less points scored against) in games played against the other tied Club(s)

This doesnt apply seeing how Edm has not played Cal

4) has scored the higher net quotient of points (i.e. points scored for divided by points scored against) in games played against the other tied Clubs(s)

This doesnt apply seeing how Edm has not played Cal

5) has won the greater number of games (or percentage of games) played against all member Clubs of the Division
Calgary has won 100% of games against the west
Edmonton has won 50 % of games played against the west

So!
Calgary
Edmonton
SSK

First of all

Quoting me, and then placing your argument within in my quote, makes it difficult to figure out what you are talking about.

second
Why are you arguing clause 3, when it is not the clause that breaks the tie? Clause 5 is what puts Calgary ahead

Calgary is in first based on the rules I posted and that is how the CFL ranks them

Sorry, didn’t mean to put it under 3, and yes clause 5 , makes sense.

Yes.

What, are we making things up now in a vain attempt to prove me wrong? When did Calgary beat Edmonton or Saskatchewan?

The fact is:
Edmonton has won 1 game against the other tied teams
Saskatchewan has won 0 games against the other tied teams
Calgary has won 0 games against the other tied teams

Therefore Edmonton is first
Calgary and Saskatchewan are tied for second.

The tiebreaker between Calgary and Saskatchewan begins:

  1. has won the greater number of games played against all member Clubs of the League
    Both teams have won 2 games

  2. has won the greater number of games played against the other tied Club(s)
    This doesn’t apply seeing how Sask has not played Cal

  3. has scored the higher net aggregate of points (i.e. points scored for less points scored against) in games played against the other tied Club(s)
    This doesnt apply seeing how Sask has not played Cal

  4. has scored the higher net quotient of points (i.e. points scored for divided by points scored against) in games played against the other tied Clubs(s)
    This doesnt apply seeing how Sask has not played Cal

  5. has won the greater number of games (or percentage of games) played against all member Clubs of the Division
    Calgary has won 1 game against the west
    Saskatchewan has won 1 game against the west

Calgary has won 100% of games against the west
Saskatchewan has won 50% of games against the west

So the tie between Calgary and Saskatchewan goes to Calgary.

Therefore:

  1. Edmonton
  2. Calgary
  3. Saskatchewan
    With B.C. in 4th.

Sound familiar?

Yup, you're right!
I was looking at the final game of pre-season when Calgary beat SSK