Touch Down celebrations have been a part of the CFL game for some time, some believe the touch down celebrations are entertaining while others believe that they lack respect and maturity. Others in the media and fan base believe only the winning teams should be allowed to celebrate. Touch Down Celebrations though are a celebration of accomplishing a goal, the goal of ensuring that pig skin reaches the opposite teams end zone.
There are many reason to celebrate, and celebrations are done often. People celebrate birthdays even though they may have not accomplished anything in life, some celebrate the end of the week because the end of the work week was reached but they truly haven't reached the ability to retire. You might celebrate climbing half way up that mountain, or learning how to ride a bike with training wheels. We celebrate because of mid term accomplishments, something that you are happy and excited and feel proud that you were able to complete.
Considering that celebrations do not have to represent accomplishing the final ideal ending, should we not encourage players to celebrate every time they get that touch down. This is a sense of accomplishment, it shows you care for the game you feel great about what you are doing. It is normal in life to celebrate the small points that may lead into the win. Eventually you won't need those training wheels, and someday many will retire. Not everyone will be able to make it to the top of that mountain, although half way is still an accomplishment. Not everyone will learn to ride that bike, but with training wheels it is better than without.
What I am getting at, is it is not just the rights of those teams who are winning to only get to celebrate. All accomplishments should be celebrated, big or small and we should encourage these celebrations as it makes the game more entertaining. It keeps the players in the game and wanting to play. I believe we should allow all TD's to be celebrated as long as the celebration is not offensive, a great sack the player should pound their chests. These are not easy to do, they are great accomplishments no matter if the team is winning, losing, or tied.
What is your opinion, and why? What makes you think opposite, or why do you agree?
I don't mind touchdown celebrations (or when their is a sack), ONLY.....if it is tasteful and the person who made the play does the celbration. The cheezy celbrations where 5 people gather and act stupid are annoying...I am thinking of the Stampeder bobsled celebration for example. Two guys jumping and hitting chests, no problem, Geroy's superman problem , sure, jumping by the stands and high fiving fans, sure........
I have no problem with celebrations, so to speak. What I have an issue with are the choreographed specticals that many players or groups of player do. Some players have simple gestures, like Geroy Simon or Hugh Charles, I have no problem with unique, indifvidual or even groups rejoicing. I don't even have a problem with players involving fans, ala the Lambeau Leap, etc.
What I have an issue with is as I said, the choreographed routines, where players have actually rehearsed with others, like 4 grown men climbing in an imaginary row boat while a few other swim in the grass along side. That is not celebration, that is showing off and if you pardon my age appropriateness, is simply childish. In other words, I wish these fools would simply grow up.
I guess the bottom line is what do you find offensive. I personally find the choreographed buffoonery, offensive.
I do agree that the entire team doing the flopping thing on the ground that use to happen is over board, one or two guys celebrating together though I think should be encouraged. Obviously we don't want anything that will delay the game too much.
I just bring this up as the past week there has been a lot to be said about TD celebrations, and talk from some who believe that only winning teams should get to celebrate, or that celebrating before winning can be immature. Which I truly do not believe is the case, I believe a great play deserves to be celebrated and I have put my logic above on why I believe this is the case.
...teams should have a Designated Celebrator...the DC would be stationed in a special spot near the team's bench, like the on-deck circle in a baseball park, and would celebrate like mad for anything their team accomplished...
I'm not. Last week the big one was Goltz doing this ridiculous act in the endzone while his team was well down but still in the game. You know what he did for the rest of the game? Nothing except interceptions. A lot of guys are guilty of that sort of thing, but that's the one that really stuck out recently given that it's basically open auditions for a QB in Winnipeg.
You want to be a starter and a team leader? Act like winning matters more than your choreography. A lot of guys are guilty of this. I don't mind if you're excited and spike the ball or throw it into the stands or jump around for a couple of seconds like you're happy. I do care that you're spending mental time doing a prepared routine while you're still down 7 points near the end of the game.
It just looks amateur. Look at a duo like AC and Ben Cahoon a few years ago when they were racking up a zillion yards and always playing for the GC. Out of the two of them combined you'd get one fist pump and maybe a high five, and then they're back to work. They were too busy beating you to gloat about it.
Do you truly believe that the Touch Down celebration itself affected the out come of the game? I do not believe it had any bearing on to the out come. The secondary started to fail, they were failing to be honest in the first half. Winnipeg should have had a bigger lead but they were not playing well.
The interceptions happened because they started forcing plays, and definitely the blocked punt can not have any bearing related to the TD celebration.
What I don’t understand is, do you not celebrate birthdays? Do you not go out and celebrate achievements in your life even though you may not actually be winning? Maybe you do live in that ideal world where you are guaranteed to retire young, have no bills, make the seven figures a year, with the perfect marriage and children.
I feel though that I celebrate in real life even if I’m not winning, IE I’m trying to lose weight right now, everytime I lose five lbs I celebrate its an awesome accomplishment because it has not happened in so long. A TD for Winnipeg against the best team in the league is definitely an accomplishment and something worth celebrating. No matter if they are losing or winning, and truly doesn’t affect the result of the end of the game much except for possibly reducing the noise or increasing the noise of the crowd.
I also don’t believe I have seen many choreographed touch down celebrations this year, I definitely wouldn’t call Sheets, nor Simons, nor Goltz something that took a lot of thought to think up and practice.
Actually, I have found that this year has been one of the worst. Lions are now the new Stampeders, bringing foolishness to a new level while celebrating. Ellingson from Hamilton has brought stupid celebrations to a new level.
There is an old saying, "when you get to the endzone, act like you've been there before". Celebrate all you want but doing a rehearsed pantomimish celebration is old, tiring and stupid.
I don't have an issue with guys celebrating after a TD or other huge play. Guys on the field just need to be smart about it. When you''re down by 2 or 3 TDs or if you break up a pass after the opposition offense has already thrown for 300 yards on you, there really isn't much to celebrate IMO. And it shouldn't require organizing half the guys on the field to perform a choreographed dance a la Peter Griffin [url]Shipoopi Original/FamilyGuy - YouTube
The funny thing with the Goltz TD celebration was the issue was over the one he's done all year and not one he did in that Labor day game that mocked Sheet's moves.
I don't know if it did or not. Quite possibly not. Doesn't really matter, it looks really bad when you're acting like that and then you proceed to toss two picks that kill any hope of staying in the game. They were behind but in that game when he did his routine, and he did nothing for the rest of the game.
What I don't understand is, do you not celebrate birthdays? Do you not go out and celebrate achievements in your life even though you may not actually be winning? Maybe you do live in that ideal world where you are guaranteed to retire young, have no bills, make the seven figures a year, with the perfect marriage and children.
I feel though that I celebrate in real life even if I'm not winning, IE I'm trying to lose weight right now, everytime I lose five lbs I celebrate its an awesome accomplishment because it has not happened in so long.
False analogy. I celebrate birthdays because it's an excuse to have friends over and throw a party. You don't "win" at life, you enjoy it and do the best you can. I've got nothing to complain about in that area.
At work, do we celebrate when a project is completed successfully? Absolutely! Do we celebrate every time we get a build out, even if we're a month behind schedule and that build is missing key features? No. Why? Because we're being paid to deliver something that meets the requirements on time, and when we do that it's time to celebrate success. I'm a professional, and a professional celebrates when the job is done.
Goltz is also a professional. His job is winning football games. He didn't get the job done. The QB is a team leader, and Goltz wants to be the starting QB for his team. He should act like one. If he wins that game, he can go celebrate all he wants. To me, he wasn't acting like a professional when he's doing the celebration he did while losing the game. I expect more out of a starting QB. Hopefully he learns from it.
A TD for Winnipeg against the best team in the league is definitely an accomplishment and something worth celebrating. No matter if they are losing or winning, and truly doesn't affect the result of the end of the game much except for possibly reducing the noise or increasing the noise of the crowd.
I also don't believe I have seen many choreographed touch down celebrations this year, I definitely wouldn't call Sheets, nor Simons, nor Goltz something that took a lot of thought to think up and practice.
I don't mind little spontaneous things, but if your celebration takes long enough that TSN is talking about it, you're doing it wrong. Particularly when you're losing.
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I guess this is where we disagree, I do not believe that celebrations should have anything to do with if you are winning or losing, and everything to do with the accomplishment that is completed. But than I also believe finishing is better than not even showing up in the first place.
Where I work we do celebrate our accomplishments on large projects, if we reach a major milestone (like a TD really is) than we do celebrate and reward each other. We also have taken many courses on Leadership and Management and have learnt how to motivate our co-workers; managers and employees.
Looking forward to this weeks games, and I hope I see a lot of touch down celebrations. No matter the team or the score.
I have mixed feelings about these celebrations but in all honesty I must say that I enjoy some of the post sack antics. Aaron Hunt comes to mind right away. I loved the way this guy used to celebrate sacking the QB. I also find some of the post TD celebrating involving several players hilarious. To me these are basically trademarks the players are putting on their accomplishments at the time. Nothing wrong with that. But..... if taken too far it can cross that fine line between healthy gamesmanship and taunting or unsportsmanlike conduct. Which team was it that jumped into the outboard boat that was located in the end zone after the team scored a major?
While the players try to be creative when doing their little routine and most are indeed choreographed there is the necessity in becoming even more creative as in who can out do the other? I just don't want to see these small digressions taking away from the overall seriousness of the sport or what is at stake. I don't want to see things become like the WWF where it is one big choreographed joke.
Hopefully your celebrations do not involve: flopping around on the floor, putting fake babies to sleep, frolicking in fake boats, riding fake bicicles, fake bobsleds, etc. etc.
I like to celebrate with a cold, Alberta originated, Pilsner Beer. I think I might celebrate that it's Friday doing exactly that. :cowboy:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuwfGLQQD2g The BEST T.D. Celebration of all time!!!!!! :rockin: :rockin:
Some I dont mind, some I really hate.. I dont like the big overblown productions. I was annoyed with both of the Goltz celebrations that were mentioned here.. but hey.. the football gods paid him back.. may next time dont be so cocky..
I dont like mocking celebrations at all..
As for do kids teams allow that.. not when my kids were playing.
Ive seen touchdowns called back because of a small celebration. one particular one for taunting. the boy who had the ball was about to cross the goal line, our closest pursuer was at least 10 yards back and the boy who would have scored the TD held the ball back to him and kind of twisted it back and forth.. flag, he mouthed the ref, flag, his coach and bench went nuts. flag flag flag.. they ended up on thier own 1 yard line instead of scoring a touchdown and got thier teams head coach was booted out of the game.. needless to say.. they lost big time.. no coach and our kids had a huge incentive to win the game...