Tim Hortons Field delays finally end up in court

Hamilton Spectator
By Matthew Van Dongen
[b]The city has filed notice of a pending court claim over its delay-plagued $145 million football stadium.

A short statement emailed after 5:30 p.m. said the notice of action was filed to "preserve the city's legal rights," but it did not specify who is named in the public notice of action.

The statement goes on to say the city "continues to work with all parties in effort to settle the construction and delay matters."

The city has been negotiating for months over possible compensation related to the delayed construction on the stadium, which was handed over unfinished nearly a year overdue. Work continues to deal with myriad "deficiencies" at the $145-million facility as well as contested items like beer lines never put in and indoor television monitors installed outside and destroyed by rain.

Those negotiations included provincial project overseer Infrastructure Ontario, beleaguered stadium contractor Ontario Sports Solutions and major tenant the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

The Ticats have a lease agreement with the city that calls for the municipality to help the team pursue compensation for missed games due to construction delays.[/b]

Let's hope the city has a couple of good lawyers on side to make their case with someone?
We waited and debated for what seemed like an eternity to get the stadium fiasco settled as it was, and finally had to settle for a site we were trying to leave or face the possibility of losing our football team.
All of this fits in with that ongoing nightmare which apparently, still isn't completely over.
My family and I are waiting with baited breath to see what unfolds next. :roll:

The city has filed a notice of action that claims $35 million in damages against stadium contractor Ontario Sports Solutions, Infrastructure Ontario and the organizing committee of the Pan Am Games.
[b][i]The threatened court action comes close to two years after the promised completion date for the $145-million stadium, which was handed over to the city unfinished last May and remains plagued by deficiencies.

The city’s claim includes $14 million on behalf of the Ticats football team, which has a lease agreement that requires the city to pursue compensation on behalf of its tenant for missed games due to construction delays.

But the city is separately claiming $4.5 million in “delay damages? against the team, as well as breach of contract damages totaling $227,004 plus taxes.

The Ticats also filed a notice of action against the city and the other parties, but The Spectator was unable to obtain it Thursday night.[/i][/b]

lots more here

[url=http://3downnation.com/2016/04/28/tim-hortons-field-delays-finally-end-up-in-court/]http://3downnation.com/2016/04/28/tim-h ... -in-court/[/url]

Reading this morning's Spectator, Mathew Van Dongen sheds more light on this topic. It points out that the "The city has filed a notice of action that claims $35 million dollars in damages against stadium contractor Ontario Sports Solutions, Infrastructure Ontario and the organizing committee of the Pan Am Games."
Without going into all the details of his article, he further states that "the city's claim includes $14 million dollars on behalf of the Ticats football team and $4.5 million dollars in "delay damages" against the team.
The Ticats have also filed an action against the city and other parties, yet unknown by the Spectator.
The city is specifically claiming against the province and the contractor.
Van Dongen further reports that the team has had to contend with missed home dates due to construction delays, missing draft beer lines, damaged outdoor television monitors and hundreds of seats with blocked views. City manager, Murray says there are also some minor deficiencies like cracks in concrete, missing drink holders and non-functionable drains.

No Water Fountains on the 3rd Floor
No charging Stations for phones
Really don’t have go down main Deck to get these

Hope it’s fixed before The Home kickoff game.

[attachment=1:2drqts5l]parking-lot THF S.png[/attachment:2drqts5l]I would hope the city continues with the development of THF. I think on the North side where the homes are, the city buys these homes and converts it into green space and a walkway to Barton Street. It would help in the Barton Street renewal and you would be able to see the stadium from Barton. On the North Side add a landscaped parking for approx 800 cars where the high school is/was

Does anyone know what the latest is from the city?

You do realize that the old Scott Park area is gong to be a new Recreation centre and New High school so that won't work. I would imagine that there could be parking there but it's unknown at this point. Also the area north of the stadium would cost millions to buy all the homes your talking about. Who is going to fund this? How would you justify expropriation of these homes? The fair market value of these houses just keeps going up with the Toronto buyers arriving in droves to Hamilton. Besides, the city already purchased the old Domglass facility to turn into a park for sports.

So put the 800 parking spots underground, where the old Scott Park was, put in exits/entrance on 3 sides. They have a big underground lot across from BMO Field in the Convention Centre and a huge new underground lot at TD Place in Ottawa.

I think for the next 30 years of THF it will need parking and I thought the special event parking will help pay for the cost. I would pay $20 to park there for a Ticats game. I counted about 50 + homes affected and at $350,000 each is 21 million. @ $300,000 each home is 18 million. 25 special events parking per year at $20 X 30 years almost pays for it. In terms of renewal, partially being self funded it is not a lot of money

This is the dumbest idea I've ever seen on this site. You want the city to expropriate homes so they can build a parking lot? How does putting a parking lot on a major city street help urban renewal? And how are you getting 25 special events a year? Everything about this idea is stupid.

I didn't want to call out anyone as having a stupid idea with my earlier post....but I gotta agree it's now become absolutely ridiculous . 21 million to expropriate homes and likely many millions to dig down to build a parking garage that would probably need to charge $100 a crack for the relatively few events that take place in the area just to cover ongoing maintenance costs let alone the capital cost to build it. Look at what the hospitals are now charging for parking just to be able to maintain the structure . And they are always full so how would it be even remotely possible to do this under Scott Park? About as logical as $1 billion for LRT!

Here is the latest in this fustercluck

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/province-files-notice-of-legal-action-over-tim-hortons-field-stadium-1.3573538]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ ... -1.3573538[/url]

Lawyers are going to make a bundle out of this. :frowning:

Build a casino on the Scott Park site. Build an underground parking lot it will be full all the time and it will pay for itself in no time!!

I like this idea and even if I didn't, I wouldn't call it or you "stupid."

Mods: Are you reading these posts?

Rocky....chill...nobody was called stupid, just the idea put forward.

And after Slimjim's last post, I now know he's just yanking our chain and we fell for it :smiley:

Good one Slim :rockin:

I am just proposing some ideas, not rekindle the stadium debate.

google AT&T Stadium and you will see all the parking and green space around the Cowboys stadium. The small number of houses involved around THF becomes the green space, not the parking. It will be a park for the next 50 + years

It can not be anything but a good idea to have parking around THF, as i said, Green space on the north side to Barton and parking on the south side where Scott Park is or somewhere beside it. Green Space helps spark urban renewal and Barton St needs it. Driving by on Barton you would see the small park, trees, landscaped walkway, greenery with the stadium in view.

In Hamilton you see renewal at Hess, Parkdale, Upper James, James St, Center Mall, Bay front, Downtown. There was always someone who makes the first move to start development. The modern parking lot these days can look like a park and would give the stadium hundreds of parking spots it requires.

To get this done, initial investment is necessary to start this process. Ground level parking is the cheapest to produce. 25 events is just a suggestion. 10 events are Tiger Cats and 15 are others could be CFL Playoffs, Grey Cup game, Tiger Cats special events ( high school football and soccer championships), Junior Bulldogs, Junior Football Playoffs, concerts through the summer, city or regional events, religious gatherings/meetings, Canada Day, James st crawl, etc. I don't think it is too many additional events for a whole year of planning. As I said 25 events for a major stadium out of 365 days is not a lot.

Well we were throwing out "ideas" :? :? if the city had the power then a "casino" on that site would be a huge money maker. I think they were talking about a "seniors centre" at one time? I don't know if anyone has to be one of them casinos lately but they are full of seniors spending their kids inheritance. I think the city wanted to call this area the "entertainment district" at one time.

But getting back to the idea of a parking lot, the expense of an underground lot is not that ridiculous. In Ottawa they put in the underground parking lot because it doesn't take up surface space, they built down and it wasn't a huge cost, and on the surface they put playing fields.
They can do a similar thing in this area, bury the lot and on the surface you can have the soccer fields or any structure you want.
Yes, only 10 Ticat games but there is the potential of soccer now and then similar to Ottawa they are going to put up a dome over the field in the winter.
1,800 parking spots underground at $20 for only 10 games (so far) = $360,000 it's paid for itself in 30 years
If you have 25 events as someone suggested then it will pay for itself much sooner.

:D :D :thup: :thup:

I am just proposing some ideas, not rekindle the stadium debate.

google AT&T Stadium and you will see all the parking and green space around the Cowboys stadium. The small number of houses involved around THF becomes the green space, not the parking. It will be a park for the next 50 + years

It can not be anything but a good idea to have parking around THF, as i said, Green space on the north side to Barton and parking on the south side where Scott Park is or somewhere beside it. Green Space helps spark urban renewal and Barton St needs it. Driving by on Barton you would see the small park, trees, landscaped walkway, greenery with the stadium in view.

In Hamilton you see renewal at Hess, Parkdale, Upper James, James St, Center Mall, Bay front, Downtown. There was always someone who makes the first move to start development. The modern parking lot these days can look like a park and would give the stadium hundreds of parking spots it requires.

To get this done, initial investment is necessary to start this process. Ground level parking is the cheapest to produce. 25 events is just a suggestion. 10 events are Tiger Cats and 15 are others could be CFL Playoffs, Grey Cup game, Tiger Cats special events ( high school football and soccer championships), Junior Bulldogs, Junior Football Playoffs, concerts through the summer, city or regional events, religious gatherings/meetings, Canada Day, James st crawl, etc. I don’t think it is too many additional events for a whole year of planning. As I said 25 events for a major stadium out of 365 days is not a lot.
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You’re really comparing this to AT&T Stadium? That place seats ~100 k people. Of course there’s more parking around the stadium.

If you really think a parking lot is a great idea for development, you’re crazy. Why would you tear down houses for greenspace?

And all those events you listed don’t require much parking at all. There’s already a few lots around the stadium. Highschool football games don’t require 5000 parking spots for the 500 people in attendance. There’s been a stadium in the neighborhood for 80 years. The stadium is smaller than it ever has been, and with LRT coming, will have better transit options than ever before. Why would they need more parking?

"letsgoticats" The stadium is smaller than it ever has been, and with LRT coming, will have better transit options than ever before. Why would they need more parking?
You need more parking because them game day spots at Scott Park are going to be gone. There are a lot of temp spots in the area that will also disappear. The city can also help by restricting street parking in the area and a by-law that will prevent people from using their property to park on lawns during football games, Ottawa has done that.

People still prefer to drive and when games are over at 10:30 PM they want to be home as fast as possible if they are working the next day or kids in school. The HSR shuttles to the parking lots at Limeridge etc are well used, that is the next best option for getting home after a game.
An LRT will not do much at all - they are slow and will only take people across the city. You would still have to transfer to a regular bus somewhere. LRTs are not like the buses that can line up outside of the stadium, they are on a fixed schedule and with their expense to buy them they will be running at around 10 minute intervals. It's not like them express buses that won't stop when they are full, the LRTs have to stop at every stop.
You can get up to 600 people on one LRT train with 3 cars but it will hardly be rapid transit and will be the slowest way to get home after a game. They could move around 3,600 fans an hour but going both directions up to twice that.