Thank you for your time putting this thread together, Russ. It’s very refreshing to see positive contributions to this forum rather than the negativity that’s unfortunately been allowed to become common.
Yeomen's work there, Russ. Much appreciated. :thup:
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including tonight's 36-27 win by Hamilton. The records are good as of the time of posting.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ July 14, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-87-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-14-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-14-1 since the 1950 merger, including the most recent 28-13 win in this year's game on Sept 6 not referenced in the Labour Day preview article on cfl.ca on Sept.3.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 13 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 6 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including today's 30-27 win by Toronto. The records are good as of the time of posting.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ September 3, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-88-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 13 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 6 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Please note: I got the score wrong from yesterday's game. Sometime's frustration does that. LOL The score was in fact 33-30 for Toronto. Here is the corrected update:
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including yesterday's 33-30* win by Toronto. The records are good as of the time of posting.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ September 3, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-88-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 13 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 6 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Toronto also won the GC in 1952.
Thanks! I will correct my omission. 
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Sept. 4/12 Update: PW13 pointed out that the Argos also won the Grey Cup in 1952. I overlooked that in putting my records together. I have corrected that error, along with the Grey Cup total for Toronto (7) since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger.
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including yesterday's 33-30* win by Toronto. The records are good as of the time of posting.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ September 3, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-88-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 13 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 7 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Update: 9.8.12
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including today's 45-31 win by Toronto. The records are good as of the time of posting.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ September 8, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-89-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 13 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 7 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Update: 11.2.12
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including yesterday's 43-40 win by Toronto. The records are good as of the time of posting. This update includes the latest playoff year missed by the Tiger-Cats...this one.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ September 8, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-90-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 14 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
2012 6-12
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 7 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Update: 12.11.12
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including yesterday's 43-40 win by Toronto. The records are good as of the time of posting. This update includes the latest Grey Cup victory by Toronto.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ September 8, 2012
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-90-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 14 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
2012 6-12
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2012) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Russ, Dr. Frank Cosentino would be impressed. :thup: :thup: :thup: :thup:
Update: 8.5.13
Below is the updated history for the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry, including the June 28 win by Toronto, 39-34. The records are good as of the time of posting. This update includes the latest Grey Cup victory by Toronto.
Enjoy!
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
Inspired by a comment by an Argo booster on the website, I delved into the playoff successes and related record regarding the Hamilton-Toronto rivalry since 1965 (spanning my lifetime to date). I've taken some extra time to compile a snapshot of the teams' respective success in playoffs and head-to-head since the 1950 Tigers-Wildcats merger that established the Tiger-Cats.
REGULAR SEASON @ June 29, 2013
I have added the latest game to the overall total referenced in earlier posts in the thread. Hamilton holds a 123-91-2 all-time regular season record against Toronto.
Regarding Labour Day Classics, Hamilton holds a 29-15-1 all-time record against Toronto since 1948, 27-15-1 since the 1950 merger.
[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-numbers-labour-day-classics]http://www.cfl.ca/article/by-the-number ... y-classics[/url] (to 2010) http://www.cfl.ca/schedule/year/2010/time_zone/0PLAYOFF RECORDS (updated to include the end of the 2010 season)
I've compiled records since 1950 on three fronts:
- Head-to-Head Record
- Missed Playoff Years
- Grey Cups and Runner-Up Years
All information has been acquired through Internet sources. Wikipedia CFL season recaps are the primary sources, along with other links indicated below.
1) Head-to-Head Playoff Record
All-time head-to-head playoff record: Toronto leads 14-7-1 in individual games, the teams are tied 3-3 in two or three-game total points series
Head-to-head:
1950 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 11
(Game Two) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
Toronto won series 35-19
1951 IRFU Semis
(Game One) November 7 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 24 Toronto Argonauts 7
(Game Two) November 10 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 21
Hamilton won series 31-28
1952 IRFU Finals
(Game One) November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 22
(Game Two) November 19 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 21
(Game Three) November 22 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 12
Toronto won best-of-three series 2-1
1955 IRFU Semi-Final
November 12 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 28 Toronto Argonauts 32
1960 Eastern Final
(Game One) November 18 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 7 Toronto Argonauts 25
(Game Two) November 25 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 48 Toronto Argonauts 2 (OT)
Hamilton won series 55-27
1968 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 21 Toronto Argonauts 33
1969 East Semi-Final
November 9 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 9 Toronto Argonauts 15
1971 East Final
(Game One) November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 8 Toronto Argonauts 23
(Game Two) November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 17
Toronto won series 40-25
1983 East Final
November 20 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 36 Toronto Argonauts 41
1984 East Final
November 11 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 14 Toronto Argonauts 13 (OT)
1986 East Final
(Game One) November 16 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 17 Toronto Argonauts 31
(Game Two) November 23 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 42 Toronto Argonauts 25
Hamilton won series 59-56
1987 East Semi-Final
November 15 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 29
1999 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 27 Toronto Argonauts 6
2004 East Semi-Final
November 5 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 6 Toronto Argonauts 24
2010 East Semi-Final
November 14 Hamilton Tiger-Cats 13 Toronto Argonauts 16
2) Missed Playoff Years
What about MISSING the playoffs? Here is the record of futility for both clubs since 1950...
Hamilton has missed the playoffs 14 times since 1950:
1960 4-10
1973 7-7
1977 5-11
1990 6-12
1991 3-15
1994 4-14
1997 2-16
2002 7-11 (Sask. crossover)
2003 1-17
2005 5-13
2006 4-14
2007 3-15
2008 3-15
2012 6-12
Toronto has missed the playoffs 28 times in that time span:
1953 5-9
1954 6-8
1956 4-10
1957 4-10
1958 4-10
1959 4-10
1962 4-10
1963 3-11
1964 4-10
1965 3-11
1966 5-9
1972 3-11
1974 6-9-1
1975 5-10-1
1976 7-8-1
1978 4-12
1979 5-11
1980 6-10
1981 2-14
1985 6-10
1992 6-12
1993 3-15
1995 4-14
2000 7-10-1
2001 7-11
2008 4-14
2009 3-15
2011 6-12
All this can be verified via Wikipedia's CFL season recaps.
3) Grey Cups and Runners-Up Years
Toronto has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1950, 1952, 1983, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2012) and been runners-up 3 times ( in 1971, 1982, and 1987).
Hamilton has won 8 Grey Cups since 1950 (1953, 1957, 1963, 1965, 1967, 1972, 1986, and 1999) and been runners-up 10 times (1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, and 1998).
http://www.cfhof.ca/page/grey_cup_winnersThere you go. The facts! Enjoy.
- Any and all corrections are welcome if needed.
Oski Wee Wee,
Russ
I never realized that Toronto had a gap of 31 years between championships from 1952 to 1983. 31 years of trying and failing.
:P
If you look at their record from 52-83…more failing than anything else(only 2 cup app. in that span 71 @ 83)ARGO-NOTS !
I realize a Ticats forum is not the most likely place to find takers, but nonetheless here goes. I have just published a book about the 1981-83 Argos, who went from the worst season in team history (2-14 in 1981) to the most exciting year (Run-and-Shoot offence under Mouse Davis) in 1982 to finally ending the 31-year drought in 1983.
Bouncing Back: From National Joke to Grey Cup Champs features detailed looks at a couple of games that would be of interest to some Ticat fans: a 57-13 Hamilton win in 1981 on a night when the Argos almost didn’t get to Ivor Wynne because someone forgot to order buses, and a very detailed review of the 1983 Eastern Final, which I propose is the greatest playoff game ever.
I interviewed dozens of players, coaches and others associated with the Argos and CFL, including former Ticats Al Bruno and Gerald Bess. The book is self-published through Lulu, which was founded by Bob Young and also published the Angelo Mosca-Steve Milton book a couple of year ago.
I hope to be selling it (alongside Steve and Big Ang with their book) at the Thanksgiving Day game in Guelph, but in the meantime the book is available for purchase online through both Lulu (traditional soft-cover book and eBook for iPad) and Amazon.com (traditional book).
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Do you walk into bars and call the biggest guy an a$$hole? That would be no more bold than the crap you're pulling in this thread.
I was at both the 86' Eastern Final and the 86 Grey Cup .
Here are a few remembrances.
Eastern Final
Cats were way behind but were starting to come on.
Hank Illisec was Argos punter . Argos were in punt formation . Ticat fans were chanting HANK THE sHANK!!
The snap went 10 feet over his head and landed 10 yards behind him. That was the turning point. Argos were done after that.
Kerrigan was really throwing strikes that day.
Grey Cup
We walked into the Spirit Of Edmonton room (Beer Hall ) wearing our CAts Jerseys , Helmets , Buttons etc.
A group Of Eskimos fans came up to us and said what the He** are you doing here.
When they noticed our ARGOS SUCK! buttons they laughed and offered to buy us a beer.
We've been friends ever since.
98% of the fans in B.C.Place were Eskimos fans . Cats were 20-30 point underdogs.
Edmonton was a football powerhouse for 15 years. They had a dominant team and Ticats had snuck into the playoffs and narrowly beat Toronto.
However, the game was a slaughter. Zambiasi, Covington, Walker pounded the Eskimos two quarterbacks ( Matt Dunigan, Damon Allen ) We blocked a punt and had 10 sacks . Most by half time. By mid way of the 2nd Qtr you could hear a pin drop in that full Stadium