The Official GET FLICK THE BALL THREAD

Hamilton Tiger-Cats
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Please sign your name here if you think its completely pathetic that we do not throw any deep balls in the direction of DJ Flick.

I hinted at it, i commented on it... but now im gonna be flat out direct in my request.

Enough with this screen play dump off CRAP cause thats what it is, and start using your receivers to their potential. THROW IT UP! I dont care if its picked off once in a while, I counted DJ Flick with single coverage so many times tonight and not 1 deep ball in his direction. On many occasions this season he has drawn penalties, doesnt get the stats but gets the field position.

2 Times on an "out" the ball bounced to him. This guy was out Most Outstanding Player last year. GET HIM THE BALL. If Maas cant throw deep or Paopao doesnt want to? Put DJ in the slot, do SOMETHING to use this weapon that we have ignored all season.

If you agree we need to get DJ the ball more, please comment so i know im not crazy.
It seems so simple, but apparently it isnt.

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sorry to post this in this thread aswell but i felt it needed to be done

"on any given play no WR run down field to even give a hint that we might throw deep, so when we do throw deep the defence sees it coming for miles plain and simple the Hamilton Tiger-Cats are the most predictale team in football"

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Crash I know you are of the belief that you own this board, but youn are not yet ready to manage a professional football club.

Check out the Junior Leagues or the Colleges, and see if they'll give you a job.

And if not (ie they roll on the floor laughing their asses off at your application), don't worry about telling us, because we will all understand that we can't get those jobs either.

Just shut the **** up on your patronising advice to the team.

There are plainly issues where Maas cannot continually throw to Flick. To do this, you need to have a ground game, which wasn't there tonight (correct me if I'm wrong!)

You need to have a middle game, like we used to have with Flutie and Morreale...one player of which is still in uniform, but who did not step on the field tonight.

The OLine was "better" tonight than in so many losses before, but still got wasted by the elderly Argo's...imagine a nose tackle (Cantor) that got flown in and wasn't even in game shape, and made our line look like idiots...

So get off the hobby horse you are riding in on, and offer something more productive...

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2005 = 80 Rec. - 1245 Yards. 6TD
2004 = 68 Rec. - 1147 Yards. 8TD

Now that the stats justify my point, i'll make an attempt to sift through your personal shots and respond to your insight.

Running game? I thought we were establishing the run before we completely got away from it in the 2nd quarter. Although I would like you to explain to me how having a running game is a requirement to throwing the ball downfield? Other teams that have little to no rushing game seem to find their wideouts with deep balls.

This isnt about me knowing more than anyone on the team, its about using the weapons that we have to our advantage and its my opinion that DJ is being wasted in this offence right now.

By your logic (offering more productive threads) what would meet your grade? Have i started a "Bring him to hamilton" thread? No. Have I started a "Fire him from Hamilton" thread? No. Ive simply suggested that we get our best receiver the ball more, rather than worrying about 6 yard passes on 2nd and 15.

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Lifter,
Clean up your act a little. Crash is entitled to his opinion I don`t always agree with him but there is know need to tell another board member to "shut the **** up" Maybe the mods can train you a little better. As for getting the ball more to DJ ya that seems to be a no brainer. We have a few other recievers that need to see more action to. I really think our short dump pass style is so predictable that even our deep guys are cutting it of short cause they know they are not going to get the ball for the most part.
tcmik

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"Now that the stats justify my point" you can apply to Bob to be the HC.

Your words, not mine.

My opinion, and apprarently Lancaster's, is that "stats are for losers".

We have made significant investments in this club (note it is not yet a "team") on offense.

You make a good point that we tried to establish the run in the first quarter, and "got away from it" in the second, and started living (and dieing) subsequently.

The last time Hamilton used WR's for anything purposeful was when we had Tony Champion and Earl Winfield, and that was a long time ago.

Using DJ inside is interesting, but we already have Vaughn there, and DJ's a tad small to play inside. If you want a big bruiser with sure hands and a dedication to the team, pick Mike Morreale, someone you continue to diss...

BTW, thank you for the lack of Boreham dissing that you normally spew. His kickoffs were great, and the failed field goal was due to bad snapping, though an encouraging word to Jaimie is beyond your literary ability, apparently...

We do not have a "best receiver"...we have a bunch of receivers, all of whom are dependent on a QB, an OLine, and a proper game plan.

You may favour Flick, for reasons of your own, and I agree that he's a nice enough guy.

If you want to take the sad and sorry state of statistics, I'll say my favourite is Vaughn, and ask that you counter with your statistical arguments.

So set that all aside.

We need a new game plan, offensively, and that may require a new OC. I don't have a nominee for the job, but don't really want Kent Austin, after a week of reflection on his firing. I would like it better if Ron Lancaster made the hire, and made somev sort of move to show where the takeover of the HC position was recognized in such a hire.

Sure, get our "best receiver" the ball...the guy who doesn't cut the route short...the guy who breaks from his cover, the guy who actually catches the ball and gets the yards after catch...its a BUNCH of guys, not just one...

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Have you even looked at anything I have typed lately?

The last time Hamilton used WR's for anything purposeful was when we had Tony Champion and Earl Winfield, and that was a long time ago.
No, the last time was last season when Flick had almost 1300 yards receiving.
If you want a big bruiser with sure hands and a dedication to the team, pick Mike Morreale, someone you continue to diss...
I will fight this to my grave. I have never once "dissed" Mike, Get your facts straight. Mike Morreale is my favourite player in Ticat history and most people on this board will tell you that. I own 3 #18 jerseys and have been perhaps his biggest supporter since hs first came to Hamilton. Mike himself will tell you that. Him playing or not has nothing to do with this current discussion... You wanna talk about it? Start a thread about it.
BTW, thank you for the lack of Boreham dissing that you normally spew. His kickoffs were great, and the failed field goal was due to bad snapping, though an encouraging word to Jaimie is beyond your literary ability, apparently...
First off again, you continue to go off topic in this thread... but why the hell would I give an encouraging word to Jamie? He missed his only FG attempt (not his fault at all but i dont think im going to praise him for not being at fault), and his kickoffs (i think he only kicked off twice) were WITH the wind... so... like last week, im not going to comment at all on our kicking cause it was a non-factor.
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Agreed. Flick needs the ball more (or at least needs more looks / balls thrown his way) and there isn't any question about that. I saw him walk off the field a few times looking frustrated. The most noticable time was after the interception on the deep pass to Ralph with 5 minutes left. D.J. was wide open about 20 yards downfield.

Anyways, although it was more entertaining to read this thread then sit through that garbage game tonight, what was so bad about Crash's post?

I think it's a very good point and I hope Flick somehow gets more involved in the game from now on.

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Does anyone have the game stats?

It seemed to me Flick was being thrown to a fair amount last night. (a couple of deep ones too....one which drew an interference call if I'm not mistaken)

BTW, I thought he did a good job filling in as a kick returner last night....he had some solid returns.

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Well, Ronnie said in post game interviews that Jason just isn't comfortable and he isn't sure of the exact reason.
As long as this is the case, forget about our passing game, at least at home. Maybe Jason isn't comfortable with the confines of Ivor Wynne, don't know, but our passing game is about as bad as it gets, just horrible.
Jason, get comfortable quick, you have the talent, relax, it's a football game, not the war in Afganistan or Iraq or Lebanon!!

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Get everyone the ball on offence,they all can do it.

Why just DJ Flick?

I'm with Lifer.

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Now that WE all have the answers for a bad performance of the team this year whan do we start coaching --- EH!!!!!

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Have to Agree Right now He is our Best WR..

But we Really don't have a True #1

So get Flick the Ball..

Mass Has Allways Like his Slot better Then WR.

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Good idea ,can we come out to practice...

Thats a good ....reinvent the game idea that Bob wanted in the beginning.

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Personally i just think we should be throwin some more deep balls. Peterson, Quinnie, Ralph... all guys that can go deep. if Flick can make it happen (haul in some long catches) go nuts with him too.

but these eight yard out patterns are killin me, it wasn't so bad with mcmanus because he got them there in about half a second, (and it was still a crappy play)

bah

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Since when is it okay to insult people who come up with valid suggestions
about how to make the most of the resources that we do have. Lifter.

Crash I know you are of the belief that you own this board, but you are not yet ready to manage a professional football club.

Check out the Junior Leagues or the Colleges, and see if they’ll give you a job.

And if not (ie they roll on the floor laughing their asses off at your application), don’t worry about telling us, because we will all understand that we can’t get those jobs either.

Just shut the **** up on your patronising advice to the team.


I hope you gave your head a shake and got some rest last night.

Can’t think of any affirmative steps to help the team, Lifter?

Maybe there is a burr lodged between your brain
and the saddle on your “Fire Joe” hobby horse.

There is no such thing as ‘addition by subtraction.’

Put some positive energy into researching possible new O.C.'s.

You might even be able to trot out a hobby horse
of your own with a worthwhile sign on it,

“I nominate…for O.C.”

At least, hitch up your unproductive hobby horse, Lifter

and wait for our future Head Coach to hire
his own O.C. when the time comes.

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No, not 1 ball more than 20 yards was thrown to DJ.

ZERO.

And the one ball that was the lob of about 20 DJ was interfeared with and not called.

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Every defence knows where Maas is throwing... why? because he throws 90% of the time to his primary receiver. There are wide open receivers all the time, but Maas is locked in on one guy and defences simply are looking back at Maas. Coach is right, Maas is not comfortable!

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Sure , great idea to get the ball to Flick deep , but if we don't have a QB in Mass to through it accurately that far , than why through it there ? Even Allen with a bad hand through the ball deep accurately . We have to stop dreaming about how Mass was suppose to be able to pass ...HE CAN'T

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Agreed.

Move Ralph to WR and DJ can take his SB position.

I agree that Mike should be playing, but there has been no greater champion of Morreale than Crash... That comment is nothing but laughable...

Jamie had a good game. Nothing spectacular, but good.

Your opinion, but mine is that DJ seems to be the only reciever that gives 150% on every play. When he was returning punts and kicks, his first move was UPFIELD at a full sprint.

Vaughn looked average at best last night.

The whold team needs an attitude adjustment (branding iron on the butt) before this "team" will start to produce.