The Marlies win the Calder Cup

For the first time since 1967 when the Leafs last won the Stanley Cup - a pro Toronto hockey team is champions. Marlies winning Game 7 of the AHL Calder Cup final over the Texas Stars at a packed Ricoh Coliseum tonight.

Some players we saw on the ice for the Leafs at times this year like the speedy Andreas Johnsson leading the way. Johnsson named MVP.

Congrats to the Marlies, my cousins in Toronto will be celebrating with my cousin's son Rich Clune a member of the Marlies, one of the older players if not the oldest. Better congratulate them on FB now. Mom, Dad and son, all happy campers right now and well into the night I'm sure!


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Finally - a Toronto based team with a Maple Leaf logo wins a championship!!

While the other Leafs are golfing.......

Congratulations Marlies . Looks like great hockey from the hi lights .They have some great talent in the A .

IMO the season ending so late June 14th is a little dampener on the championship .

The AHL might want to finish at least before the NHL .

Great seeing Toronto fill the building for it but it might have been a little sweeter with a greater GTA attention if it wasn't near the start of Summer 7 days away .

Still it was a nice moment for the Marlies players and fans .

I was thinking the same thing Hank about the AHL wrapping it up earlier before the SC. It would be better to keep more interest.

Yup - June 15th - about a week after the Stanley Cup is a bit ridiculous - especially when you consider they were at training camp in Niagara Falls on September 15th.

Nice win for the Marlies and another title for MLSE. Hopefully this translates to the big club down the road.

Agreed, the late timing seems odd. Even the AHL regular season starts later. I'm wondering if that has to do with the NHL pre season/training camp so it takesbit longer to get AHL rosters finalized.

Yay for the Marlies!

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I saw the Hamilton Bulldogs win the Calder Cup in 2007 against the Hershey Bears at Copps Coliseum. Sadly I couldn't make it this year due to a couple of circumstances.

It's also far easier for me to get behind the Calder Cup playoffs than to get excited about the Maple Leafs. Unlike the Stanley Cup playoffs, there's no question that the Calder Cup playoffs are more about the sport of hockey than the business of hockey.

MLSE invested in veteran players with the Marlies. How this for AHL salaries, my cousin once removed and not part of the Leafs plans, at all, going forward, Rich Clune, makes a whole heck of a lot of money as someone really “on the way out”. I’m sure some CFL guys are looking at this and saying “hmmm”… :wink: How many “has beens” in the CFL are makiing $350,000 per year? I would say none. Mind you this is MLSE and the Leafs farm team so it’s hard to compare that with anything in Canada pro sport wise, a whole different gestalt.

[b]Salaries for Marlies veterans[/b] [i]Colin Greening: $750,000[/i] [i]Vincent Loverde: $700,000[/i] [i]Ben Smith: $650,000[/i] [i]Chris Mueller: $400,000[/i] [i]Rich Clune: $350,000[/i]
https://mapleleafsnation.com/2018/05/07/the-toronto-marlies-have-invested-heavily-in-their-veterans-and-its-paid-off/

I have no objection to AHL players earning more than livable salaries. What I actually find bothersome is this rule:

Why? How does limiting the number of veteran players improve the games for the ticket buying fans?

What annoys me of the AHL is that the league seems more than willing to function as the NHL's bumboy. No effort whatsoever is made to present an image of independence, a league beholden to none other than the paying customer.

Worst of all, some AHL clubs are actually owned by their "parent" NHL clubs which is a clear and blatant effort by the NHL to preserve its monopoly over professional hockey in North America. I don't understand why the competition tribunals in Canada and the United States allow this situation to persist.

The Marlies are one of those teams actually owned by an NHL team, and I hate the fact that I'm supporting the fat arrogant Maple Leafs organization whenever I buy a ticket to a Marlies game.

:frowning:

Hey Fox, how much does a regular season ticket cost for the Marlies ? Mid range....Haven't been to see the Marlies in years. I watched quite a few AHL games this year though.

I thought they did that pro limit thing to give the yougins a better chance and some teams were stashing players, weren't they ? That's what I remember. Maybe I'm wrong. Long time ago.

Excellent read Baltic! And that is what the majority of CFL fans don't want to see, the CFL as the NFL's bumboy. MLSE, whatever ticket you buy in Toronto for sports, even the Blue Jays I would think that aren't actually part of MLSE, I would bet my bottom dollar goes to support the multimillionaire admin people in MLSE and Rogers and CTV. Whether that should bother anyone from a psychological aspect, no idea, that is up to each person's take on it I suppose.

Actually more and more AHL teams are owned by the NHL 'parent' club to maximize the use of their AHL affiliates in helping develop players for the 'big' team.

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Pat, do you like the CFL operating as an independent league or would you rather it operate as the AHL does with the NHL, in this case the CFL operating as such with the NFL like that?

The CFL is a different enoughanimal from the NFL that I can't see anything like that ever happenng.

There are different rules, different roster rules. So I can't ever see it being in any way 'officially' affiliated in any way with the NFL. The NHL often dictate to the AHL and has them do things for the NHL like test potential rule changes - things like changing the icing rule or crease rules etc. were always tested in the AHL before being introduced to the NHL. I can't see the NFL ever telling the CFL to do something in that way.

I know they work together on honuring each others contracts etc. and have done some joint things like their flag football iniative, some officiating cooperation etc. But just those lose affilitions on minor things are as far as I see it ever going.

But what arrangement would you personally like to see with the CFL and NFL? That's all I'm asking, knowing that if the CFL were to operate as the AHL does with the NFL there would probably be some more rule changes in the CFL to be more "in line" with the NFL if it was to operate like the AHL with the NHL.

I can appreciate that it is very difficult to compare the two situations though, so much different history with football in NA compared with hockey in NA and how things have evolved with respect to professionalism in football and hockey in NA. Very difficult to make any comparisons really.

Frank Cosentino, where are you? :wink:

Personally I think the relationship is fine the way it is. Some cooperation where it makes sense to have it - but otherwise two different leagues with no affiliations beyond that.

I'm a fan of both and I don't want to see CFL rule changes just to test something out for the other guys.

With you on that.

In the area of $30.

Haven't been to see the Marlies in years. I watched quite a few AHL games this year though.
Huh? Where then have you been watching AHL games?
I thought they did that pro limit thing to give the yougins a better chance and some teams were stashing players, weren't they ? That's what I remember. Maybe I'm wrong. Long time ago.
That's precisely why it was done, with a view to facilitate the development of more young players. But for whom are these players being developed? For none but the NHL! The desires, opinions, preferences of the fans buying the tickets to AHL games hasn't been a consideration to the league governors for decades. Like I say, the AHL has been content to march to the tune called by the NHL, and that makes me angry!

:frowning:

Actually more and more AHL teams are owned by the NHL 'parent' club to maximize the use of their AHL affiliates in helping develop players for the 'big' team.

NHL affiliations with Minor Leagues (ownership indicated if NHL team owned)


Great input! The NHL’s tentacles extend even deeper than I feared. And yes, yes, I know, I know, that’s the way MLB does it as well with respect to the International League and the other minor leagues but I’m opposed to that as well!

In fact a couple of years ago I sent emails to the bureaucrats at the competition tribunals in both Canada and the United States demanding to know why a blind eye was being turned to the anti-competitive actions of both the NHL and MLB. I received no reply from the comfortable fat-cats drawing their cushy government salaries which of course have been coming out of my pocket.

>:(