The Hate Towards Canadian Players

Don’t understand the hate towards Canadian players, by some fans.

Over on the Morning Blue (Bomber’s) forum, people are crapping on Kramdi. The guy is playing well at SLB.

They’d rather start an American rookie over a Canadian rookie, just because the American player might’ve went to a bigger NCAA school.

This is :canada: and the CFL needs it’s Canadians.

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Kramdi had a good game

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When it comes to football, I think many people just don’t think Canada, generally speaking, produces fairly decent quality talent for the amount of teams and grassroots aspects of the sport in Canada. I believe there is a hidden bias in many Canadians in this respect.

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I don’t think anyone craps on Canadians because they’re Canadian.

The players fans generally pick on are on the lower end of the Canadian spectrum, which in general makes them targets for fans.

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There are many Canadian players who can’t even get a job in the CFL because there are only so many jobs. The CFL has the best Canadians available.

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There are more and more Canadians playing in the NFL, so it is not for a lack of overall talent. This also drains on the talent coming to the CFL as most want to try their hand at making the big bucks first. Don’t blame them honestly.

There are also some great Canadians playing in the CFL. I don’t think anyone craps on Demski, Oliveira, Mathieu Betts, or Nathan Rourke.

Its just when you see a Titus Wall available at SLB and you look at Kramdi, the levels aren’t the same.

Kramdi’s also not terrible, so I’m not crapping on him either. The biggest thing is he has been around for a while now and hasn’t taken the role undisputedly from someone else previously.

I’m just more or less repeating and illustrating Crash’s point.

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When it comes to football talent Canada is #2 in the world. Still a distant 2nd though, but the gap is slowly closing, but I doubt we will ever actually catch up.

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No, they crap on Canadian players just for being Canadians. Some fans have a huge inferiority complex, when it comes to Canadian players.

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Then put Titus Wall in for an underperforming international. He can play boundary Cornerback or boundary defensive halfback.

They’ve told you this?

He’s not terrible, just a moax, Alice.
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True there is cfl free agents like Eric Colonna who can tackle and hit better then some current CFL DB’s who haven’t been given a chance yet !!

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Speaking from South of 49, I’ve been very lucky to cheer for the likes of Andrew Harris, Nic Demsky, Brady Oliveira, Pat Neufeld, Geoff Gray, Jake Thomas, Johnny Augustine, Shane Gautier (hero of 2019 West final), and many others. I would be quite happy with even more Canadian quality on the field!

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Hamilton’s 4th round RB this year was also cut, even though he showed well in the preseason.

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All sorts of opinions on this ie is it some bias or is it actual skill or is it the player has the skill but is a ‘tweener’ for an NFL position. All football players in Canada growing up here and playing here in their youth want to make the NFL first, of course, it’s the no. 1 gridiron league on the planet and pays the best in almost all cases compared with a CFL player, almost all.
And I’m fine with the ratio rule but as long as this rule exists, there will be the endless debate that some Canadians, er Nationals, are only there in the CFL due to this rule that as some see it, discriminates teams and the league trying to get the best players available regardless of nationality. But I guess this is where the CFLPA discussion comes in and my guess is the CFLPA would rather the league go caput than get rid of the ratio. That is simply my guess and I have no evidence at all for this comment.
But make no mistake, @CrazyCanuck1988 is absolutely correct IMHO, no evidence of course just our thinking, that some Canadians will crap on the CFL Canadian players for the sole reason they are Canadians. I don’t doubt this for a minute that some Canadians that have a passing interest in the CFL feel this way. I simply can’t back up this with any scholarly research. No one can. Now the question is IS this an issue for the CFL as a league going forward in an ever-competitive pro sports envirorment competing for our dollars with tickets, cable/streaming subscriptions, merchandise buying etc.? And with womens pro sports becoming more and more available. I don’t have a friggin clue. But my guess is there is going to be more pressure on the CFL from an optics aspect from potential fans to dump this ratio thing once and for all as they see this as an archaic aspect of the Middle Ages mentality of the new sports environment. They do have a point on this I will say. Digitization of information knows no nation-state boundaries and what we are talking about here is information and having a national ratio thingy certainly does cloud this information new-world type of thinking. It is easy to argue this is a very archaic rule that is very draconian in nature and very conservative or perhaps even “Trump like” if you will although I may be going way, way too far off the edge with this “Trump like” comparison like statement. :slight_smile:

But most defintely an “old school” rule and to how this fits within the new digital and as I say every competitive pro sports environment here in North America, don’t have a clue. Basically I think it’s up to the CFLPA on all of this, I believe the CFL BOG would love to dump this thingy but again, I have no evidence of that at all and am just speaking off the top of my head.
But am I correct on this people? Correct me if I’m wrong. The CFLPA consists primary of born and bred Canadians or internationals that now live here or have acquired Canadian citizenship. I think I’m safe saying this. Basically meaning they wouldn’t have necessarily “got what they have got” from the CFL if it weren’t for this ratio rule? Meaning without this rule, they may not have the money/lifestyle they now enjoy as a result in part?

At any rate, really makes me know for myself I’m much more of a Grey Cup fan than a CFL fan per se. The CFL can “come and go” in whatever form but the Grey Cup and the championship for it should live on forever, well forever is a “bit long” but you get my drift. :wink: Ok, Sarnia Imperials and University of Toronto or University of whatever in Canada, hey you never know, both of you may be able to view for Lord Grey’s mug at some point as of yesteryear. I hardly doubt it but maybe. :slight_smile:
The Alerts, Queens, Senators, Wheelers, you never know!

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I had never heard of Eric Colonna so I checked him out on google. Looks like a good player at the OUA level. Listed at 5’10 195 but nothing on his forty time which is critical. To me he looks closer to 5’8 180-185. Played the corner. Tough to play the corner in CFL if you can’t run in the 4.4 range for the forty, to many tall fast receivers. Could he make a roster for mainly special teams? Jim Barker says if you can’t run at least a 4.6 forty you are going to have difficulty playing special teams in the CFL. A nice way of saying one isn’t good enough. But you never know until you get on the field and play. However the 9 teams have had 6 years to look at Eric and they don’t think he can play in the CFL.

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I’d go with what Barker says here given the vast competition for slots.

Now there is such a thing as “game speed” because running in a game often not in exactly straight lines is different than running in controlled conditions without pads on for 40-yards as is also different than running on a rubber or other track in track spikes, but there is only so much leniency and those guys are extremely rare who were not burners in CFL tryouts and workouts.

All things being about the same in tryouts or camp, most coaches will just cut the slower guy.

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Best example of what you say in my opinion is the GOAT, Milt Stegall.

Without the ball he looked like a turtle (his nickname) but after a reception he looked like Bob Hayes and was extremely difficult to run down.

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Yup, speed matters. I was a db in high school and while I was fairly quick with making moves, once I was agains’t receivers who were much faster than me, I had to really back off because I simply couldn’t keep up with them when they went deep with fly routes and then you’re out of position and they can drop other receivers in a more open area. I had absoluely no chance to make a university team simply because I lacked the speed, you can bulk up to a certain extent but it’s tough to get the speed. Basically impossible on this one to get to the next level.

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He has gotten faster since the combine and was recently at a cfl free agent camp. His free agent camp 40 time was 4.70. Its a fact he can tackle / hit better then some current CFL safeties

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