Had a cis vs ncaa allstarr game to look at talent........

If it was the best of each playing each other - the Canadians would get annihilated.

It'd have to be some good NCAA players against the best of CIS. Maybe a conference All-Star team (ie. 2nd Team All-Big East)

I'm not sure about the logistics of a CIS-NCAA all-star game...I think there would be a thousand hurdles to cross to make something like that happen.

However 2009 is the 135th anniversary of the 1874 McGill-Harvard game, which arguably was as important to the development of standardized rules as the Rutgers-Princeton game in 1869 (which is regarded as the 1st organized football game).

I'd love to see a commemorative match between McGill U. and Harvard U. played in Montreal. They could play 1/2 the game with Canadian rules, the other 1/2 with American rules. It would be way easier to stage an exhibition match between a CIS team and a NAIA team than an CIS-NCAA all star game and would probably be more competitive as well, expecially with each team playing the others rules for a 1/2.

I know I'd watch.

re-" the Canadians would get annihilated.", this is just your opinion, You fail to see that the Canadian Talent in the CFL is what brings the Level of play up to nfl. if CFL had all imports level of play and competition would drop!! . canadas best are just as good as anywhere in the world. look at the world juniour championships, in football , and Hockey. we # 1. CIS is alot better than people on here realize IMHO

Not even close,look at the talent pool. A cis QB can't even make a 3rd string cfl team. The ncaa wouldn't waste their time with us. Why would some potential 1st round pick risk millions of dollars playing in a game that would have no upside for that player. We have more registered hockey players than football players, probably 10 to 1 ratio.So that argument is silly. The ncaa has millions of players to choose from , Canadian colleges have hundreds. It's simple math. If they ever took the ratio rule out of the cfl,you would be lucky to have 3 starting Canadians.

Can-Am Bowl I, 1/8/79

[i]On Jan. 8, 1978, Tampa Stadium played host to an event unprecedented in the history of football. The Can-Am Bowl, an All-Star game pitting collegians from the United States and Canada against each other, was especially unique since the game was played by Canadian football rules. For one afternoon, top seniors from major American universities would play football against the top seniors and underclassmen from Canada. The city of Tampa, of all places, served as the battleground to finally settle the age-old debate of football superiority between these two border nations.

Actually, the disparity in football talent between Canada and the United States could not have been greater at the time. Team Canada just hoped to field a competitive team, while the American athletes hoped to avoid the humiliation of an upset loss to the Canadians. Jack Zilly, coach of Team USA, cautioned against underestimating the team from Canada, but added, “It would be embarrassing to go back to Tennessee, Alabama, Stanford, or where the players are from, if you have been beaten."

Increasing the angst of the Americans were the quirky Canadian rules. For example, teams would have only three downs to gain 10 yards, meaning "every offensive play in Canada is designed to go 10," according to Sam Bailey, the Can-Am Bowl’s executive director and former University of Tampa head coach.

Additionally, the field would be lengthened from 100 to 110 yards and widened from 53 to 60 feet. Larger fields meant larger teams as well, with the addition of one offensive and defensive player to each side of the line of scrimmage. It wasn't uncommon for a Canadian offense to feature four -- yes, four -- running backs on a given play. Throw in unlimited motion in the backfield, and one can imagine the headaches experienced by American coaches readying a game plan for their team of collegians, -- who had played football their entire lives by completely different rules.

"With the rules as we have them set up," Bailey said, "it should make for a good, competitive game, the kind fans like to see. After all, football is football."

In a surprise to no one, the United States prevailed over the Canadians by a score of 22-7. Rather than being a wide-open shootout, however, the game was a defensive struggle. In fact, Team Canada, not the U.S., was be responsible for the only offensive touchdown of the game, a 1-yard run in the fourth quarter to avoid a shutout and cap the game's scoring.

The U.S. put up the majority of its points on a pair of interceptions returned for touchdowns. In the second quarter, Vanderbilt cornerback Bernard Wilson picked off a pass by Arcadia University’s Bob Cameron and returned it 44 yards for the game's first touchdown. Wilson’s score followed a U.S. field goal and two "rouges," one-point bonuses awarded to the kicking team for tackling a returner in his own end zone on a kickoff or punt. Colorado State punter Mike Deutsch recorded two rouges in a span of two minutes and two seconds for the Americans.

"On the first rouge, I didn't know at first I had scored a point," he said. "I knew something had happened and then they flashed the point on the scoreboard. All I could say was wow.?

Georgia linebacker Ben Zambiasi added to the Americans’ lead with a 10-yard interception return for a touchdown in the third quarter. The extra point put the U.S. ahead 22-0. Coincidentally, Zambiasi went on to have a successful 11-year career in the professional Canadian Football League. An eight-time CFL All-Star who played in four Grey Cup championship games and won one, he was inducted into the Canadian Football Hall of Fame in 2004. And Cameron, Canada’s beleaguered quarterback that day, eventually won three Grey Cups and still holds the CFL record for most career punting yards.

Another interesting tidbit about the game was not apparent at the time, but the American squad featured two athletes who became well-known to Tampa football fans: Missouri’s Jim Leavitt and Bruce Allen from the University of Richmond. Leavitt, now head coach at the University of South Florida, made his mark in college as a linebacker. Allen, son of Hall of Fame Redskins and Rams coach George Allen, shared punting duties for the U.S. squad and connected on field goals of 23 and 25 yards.

Twenty-five years later, however, the game is more likely to be remembered for the steady downpour of rain than for any on-field performance. An 11,000-strong crowd attended the game, but by the end the rain had driven away all but a few thousand -- mostly Canadian -- diehards.

"What do I remember most about the game? The rain was the biggest problem," Sam Bailey recently recalled. "It wasn't totally unsuccessful, but it didn't do as well as we thought we could."

The game continued in various incarnations for three years after the first Can-Am Bowl, eventually turning into an exhibition between two Canadian squads.

In 1986, however, Tampa Stadium became a big-time bowl destination as host of the Hall of Fame Bowl, the first major college bowl game to be played in Tampa.[/i]

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that's a bunch of Crap! there are a lot of Canadians in the League today that would easily be able to out perform some of these Americans on the team!

you honestly Do NOT know what you are talking about!!

What I would like to see is a round table open discussion on TV, probably TSN, with the commissioner, TV people, players, coaches, fans on both sides of the fence, a Canadian football historian etc. about the import ratio. I think it would be great to have this open forum on this topic to be honest.

A bunch ,please name me a canadian QB that could crack a cfl team? Why hasn’t a Canadian QB started a game in over 20 years ?
How about at the running back spot ? please don’t use Lumsden, he hasn’t been able to play one full year, yet. How about the wide reciever spot? It’s simple math,they have 10 American born players to our 1 Canadian born.

It's probably more than 10:1 ... that's only the population difference. When you throw in the fact that proportionately, more Americans play football than Canadians, it's way bigger. For example, there are over 700 college teams in the States ... Canada has 27 (that's about 26:1).

btw, great read on the Can-Am bowl there, earl.

I remember those games Earl. Big Jim Reid, who went on to have a good career with Ottawa, ran over a few US players and may have scored the lone TD in the 22-7 game. The Canadians coming out of the CIS now are like night and day compared to the 70's.
The CFL teams are now finding quality players through all six rounds of the draft, back then it was the first round and then flip a coin.
I would like to see the return of the Can/Am game. With the dome stadiums we could now have it in Vancouver, Montreal or Toronto in January. But I would like to see Canada be able to use Canadians seniors playing in the NCAA as well. I say bring them on, there's only 11 or 12 players on the field at one time.

Another US player who played in one of those Can/Am games and went on to have a good career with the BC Lions was RB Larry Key.

One thing we need to figure out is how to get our own university all star game on TV. It breaks my heart knowing the East West Bowl is happening and I can't watch it on TV.

Youd think The Score would be inerested.

Yes DoubleBlue, in a time when baseball is going global with a World Baseball Classic tournament, NBA and NFL teams playing overseas, and NHL, soocer playing USL - MLS touraments here in NA and of course inter-league play in the world, golf with the Ryder and Presidents cups the question begs -


The International Federation of American football is now involved in the junior football championship which Canada has won three years in a row to really grow the sport. They have also done three world cup's of football ( and now Football Canada just announced that we will be competing in it for the first time in the 2011 version. The coaches selected are amazing.....Larry Haylor as head coach and assistants include Constantine and Marshall, here's the press release......

In fact, although there are a few european countries already vying for the 2011 World Cup of American Football, what about the 2015 version? What if WE hosted it somewhere in Canada that needs some stadium work done or better yet are not in the CFL? I know this thing is still virtually unheard of, but that's because it is fairly new and has only been contested overseas. The US only sent a team for the first time in the 2007 version which was in Japan where Team USA won the final in overtime to the 2 time champion Japanese team.

If Canada can get some tv coverage of the the junior championship and then the 2011 championship with a good showing, there might be some interest. Enough to convince the gov't to throw some "legacy" and "infrastructure" money to a London, or Moncton or Halifax or Quebec to get them up to CFL standards. We could spin this into some sort of expansion plan.

Orville Lee, Sean Millington, Milson Jones,

all Canadian Starting Running Backs that have played in the last 20 years!

Calvin McCarty started as a canadian runningback for the Esks for half of this past season as well.

Thank you bighands, I was trying to remember that Junior Championships that Canada won, and you supplied the info! :thup: :thup:

I wouldn't call that a overwelming amount of NI RB'S.
O. LEE had a big rookie year and than fell off the map.
Was Mcarthy replaced ?
Millington had a good career,nothing spectacular.
Eric Lapointe was a decent back up,as well.
Lumsden is are best bet to become a allstar if he can stay healthy.

Yes, thanks also bighands for that info on the junior championship, I didn't know of that. :thup: