Speculation

Is Ticats owner looking to buy the Bill's?
Is this why the Stadium issue is such ?
Will Hamilton( Southern Ont/Golden Horseshoe) have a CFL team and a NFL team playing at same home facility?

Are the Bills for sale?
Is this why the speculation is pfffffffffffftable (Jim Kelly is Googling Longwood-Aberdeen now LMAO)?
Will Milton have a CFL team and a big Bob Young head spinning like a Big Boy sign at the facility?

I think this is Monty Python sketch #2, Ock... :wink:

Its not intended to be serious" But" :wink: , Bob did open a dialogue with the Bills a while back. about the time the Rogers/Bills deal occured.

re-Will Milton have a CFL team and a big Bob Young head spinning like a Big Boy sign at the facility?

As long as its beside the 401 :twisted:

Seriously, Mass -- I think that when Ralph Wilson dies, there will be a sale to a) Jim Kelly and a group of Buffalo-centric investors, b) A Los Angeles group if a) is out and LA still needs a team, OR c) a Toronto-centric consortium. I think c) is remote if Kelly and/or LA is at play.

Oski Wee Wee,

Russ

No doupt the NFL covets the S.O. Market, and Mr Bob Young has the deep pockets,as reported.
Bills in Toronto didnt work because Rogers failed to research the market, something Mr Young exels at :thup:

Who cares about the Bills. Talk about a waist of good hard earned cash. What are they 0-9 for the season. Man these guys would have trouble beating Winnipeg.
Lets leave the CFL in Canada, were if belongs.
Please leave the NFL in the US were it belongs, we simply can't afford the rediculious salaries.

8)

Hey now, I like the Bills and they're 0-7, not 0-9 :lol:
In a couple years and if guys like Merriman, Levitre, Evans and Spiller stick around they could be deadly.The race for the first overall pick, let's go B'lo! :cowboy:

I don't know where you get the idea that the NFL "covets" the Southern Ontario market. I really have to question if the NFL even cares about the Southern Ontario market. I can't see that being a priority when the second largest market in the USA isn't taken care of yet. The idea of an NFL franchise in Canada is a long shot, at least while LA sits empty.

Lets get a little perspective here in bizarro world. Two things to think about that make this complete bull.

  1. The stadium that is getting built (when and wherever that is) is only going to be 25,000 seats max. An NFL team needs a bare minimum of 65,000 seats. The NFL has come right out and said that even the Rogers Centre is too small and it holds about 55,000.

In simple terms the stadium won't even be half the size it needs to be. As it stands right now the only stadium in all of Canada large enough for the NFL is the Big O in Montreal and even the Als don't like to play there.

  1. Bob bought the Ticats for a mere 2 million. The cheapest NFL team would be at least 150-200 million to buy. A 100x jump in financial obligation when Bob is already having money issues with a CFL team.

I believe the most a CFL team has ever been worth is about 10 million.

Still think this is possible, Mass?

Ummmmmmm...Zen, Forbes' valuation of the 32 NFL franchises pegs the Jacksonville Jaguars as the least valuable NFL franchise at $725 million USD. It's another order of magnitude.

The Bills clock in at #28 at $799 million USD.

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/08/forbes-average-nfl-franchise-value-drops-for-the-first-time-in-12-years/1]http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 12-years/1[/url]

Oski Wee Wee,

Russ

I thought the NFL preferred individual owners, and not groups of investers.

As a rule, yes. However, there are significant exceptions (Green Bay is THE exception of exceptions) and market considerations can contribute to multiple owners. Al Davis is a majority owner.

Majority owners must control a minimum of 30% of the team's ownership.

A 2008 snapshot of ownership composition is at http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=3485962 .

Oski Wee Wee,

Russ

Wow! The value has really gone up since the 90's. Last I heard in the late 90's when the Eagles were sold for 180 million or something like that.

Makes my point even more though about how it simply is not viable for Bob. Mr. Young is certainly rich yes but not NFL owner rich.

But, the NFL requires a majority owner to control 30 percent individually, though as a long-standing family owner coming into the league in 1933, the Steelers have been exempt..

Thanks for the link, that clears it up a bit.

Bob McGown on primetime was saying a while back that Rogers as a corp could not buy the Bills now that Ted has passed on.

I think you'll see the value of NFL teams continue to drop in this economy and as people have more options for entertainment. They've been overpriced like certain parts of the housing market.

It's not to say someone with Bob's wealth cannot be a significant investor in an ownership group. However, it does indicate that one has to be a BBBBBBBBBBBBBBILLIONAIRE to really have the wherewithal to be the sole owner of a franchise.

Jerry Jones's $150-million USD purchase of the Cowboys in 1989 "has netted an 865 percent return" according to Forbes.

[url=http://www.thefreelibrary.com/UA+grad+Jerry+Jones+delivers+a+big+%27wow%27%3A+Razorbacks-Aggies+play+in...-a0209623139]http://www.thefreelibrary.com/UA+grad+J ... 0209623139[/url]

The Cowboys are the most valuable team at $1.8 billion USD.

Oski Wee Wee,

Russ

Like playing Madden? Like running fantasy leagues? Like watching...NFL games 3-4 days/nights a week? :slight_smile:

"The average worth of NFL teams fell 2% to $1.02 billion in 2010 from $1.04 billion last year, according to the study. That's the first drop since the magazine began tracking team values in 1998."

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/08/forbes-average-nfl-franchise-value-drops-for-the-first-time-in-12-years/1]http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 12-years/1[/url]

Not quite recession-proof...but it's formidable.

The overall franchise value may drop, but compared to other sports leagues, NFL TV revenues = license to print money. We shall see if a lockout or strike next year will occur and cause the golden goose to be cooked in a significant way.

Oski Wee Wee,

Russ

Also, if Bob had NFL owner money I would imagine he would have just built his own stadium in Hamilton rather than go through the drama with city hall.

Yes I do, because the proposed stadium is to be expandable 25k 50k 75k just add a seating level or two
financially its a great deal for Caretaker, because as mentioned, the Bills could be flipped for 1.5 Billion once they are established in S.O. removed from the economically depressed W.N.Y.- Cheers

Well said. Would someone like Bob Young have really put up with the dolts at city hall if he was NFL-owner rich? I can't imagine why he would. I know I would have told them to take a hike (in much stronger language) if I was rich enough to buy an NFL team. I'm sure he's got money (you have to to run a pro sports franchise), but I don't think he's got Jerry Jones money.