Special teams question

Such a weird special teams year, kicker is pretty solid Reinbold has had some successful fake punts and Banks is srsly the most exciting player to watch in the CFL. But what's up with the kick coverage this year and all the big plays were giving up.

Most creative thing Reinbold has done IMHO was the onside punts last year, I'm wondering if anyone can help me understand why we wouldn't have a player onside every single time we punt?? Don't see how it would hurt.

I've wondered the same thing about the onside punts. Each time I've seen one, even the officials seem to miss it, and have to pick up their flags after they figure it all out. Maybe make it standard practice and put some added pressure on the punt returner.

I think we had so many onside punts last year because we had such a poor punter, and we were usually punting into the wind at THF. This year, Maher is a much better punter that the $170k Medlock. Our coverage this year, even though Plesius leads the league in ST tackles, is poor; at least compared to last year’s…

Thank you DisplacedCatsFan! I was beginning to think that I was the only one who was concerned about this. And the blocking/holding calls on run backs are terrible. My glimmer of hope was Speedy B's run back last night. I noticed the last blocker (missed his number) choose to escort Speedy and run legal interference rather than taking the numb-skull big "illegal block" that has the potential to become our trademark!

That was Plesius.

They miss a lot, but not in this instance. Refs have to throw the flag for a player onside. Im assuming because the ref that is calling the no yards is not the ref that kept track of the onside player.
Regardless ,its not a miss.

"Miss" was probably the wrong word. The ref downfield probably has no idea there is a player onside, so that would make sense.

But regardless, if we have someone with the speed to get down to the ball, we could avoid the "no yards" penalty, and potentially recover the punt each time. Because its something infrequent, increasing the frequency could make teams rethink their return strategy on the fly. Almost similar when BC went for the 2 points on their first TD of the game...its not a common strategy, but it worked for them.

Just imagine having a player running full head of steam with no worry about getiing a no yards call it's like the nfl with no possible fair catch and the returner has to catch it or its basically a live ball... big hang time punts and just time hitting the returner as he catches it, right there changes whole return game and scares the ever loving hell outta every returner and solves the punt coverage problem all in one.

Your welcome coach Reinbold

Still have to watch the rough play calls, but it would be exciting. Sort of like putting body contact into figure skating?

The goal would be more of a ball recovery than a Kamikaze style hit on the returner. But it would definitely change the thought process as a player is waiting to receive the ball...having to pay close attention to where the onside player may or may not be. Any recovery would be a HUGE gain for the kicking team, and boost morale in the home stands.

The reason it worked for us last season was the fact that it was used rarely. Coach R used it in very strategic situations - such as into a head wind - and not on every punt. You can't go to the well all the time - the opposing teams will be able to neutralize the scheme rather quickly.

I wasnt really thinking about it like last year..
I mean less of a trick play and more the standard punt cover scheme from now on..

The Whole point now would be the returner is VERY! aware of the onside player and what he's capable and allowed to do and would have to worry about a guy coming who doesn't have to let up and can smoke u right as u catch the kick or grab the ball if u let it bounce.

And I really don't see it hurting the coverage team even if the ball is fielded cleanly and the onside guy is blocked it's not sacrificing a player he's still down there and a potential tackler worst case

Ok, but even if they don't haul @$$ down to the ball, you would still have a player on the punt team that would be able to track the ball carrier better and potentially save a return TD. We all know that kickers can't tackle. So not only do you shake things up for the return team knowing that the onside player could potentially snag the ball, if they hang back, its a decent safety net if its someone who can lay a decent hit if the returner breaks out, and not risk injury to what has become a key point scoring position for our team.

If we were to use the on-side player regularly, how long would it take for the receiving team's ST co-ordinator to "spy" this player and block the h e double tooth picks out of him on every punt?

There is no blocking restriction on an on-side player.

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Idk how to check onside punt rules but Is there really no restrictions blocking an onside player?? He's just fair game to clip, trip, tackle and hold??

Of course there gonna use somebody to try and cover him probably by second punt or second game at least but a 15 yard headstart with a lot of open field around it isn't easy to lay a huge block I'll still take the onside guy in that one

What's up Doc? :lol:

When I said there were no restrictions I meant that they could be legally blocked like any other player.

Even a "huge block" would not be necessary as slowing the on-side player down by a second or two would be effective to keep him from disrupting the return.

If using an on-side player was such a great tactic, why is it not regularly employed?

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Haha That's the whole point of the thread..Why is it not used more

I agree with those who suggest that a) it is most effective when kicking into a strong wind, and b) if you do it all the time, opponents will be better prepared for it, reducing the chance of producing a turnover by pulling it out of your trick bag in a crucial game.

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because it isn't such a great play?