Given his recent rant on Riderville, his stabbing Joe P. in the back on his TV interview and then his various comments about previous players. The question I would like to know should Eric Tillman take on all the responsibility if the riders post a lost.
The general consenus in this forum, is that the Riders are a better team then last year. Therefore, should be able to post a better record.
NO, HE DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT BE FIRED! IF THAT WERE THE CASE ROY AND DANNY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED AFTER 2001! THEY WERE GIVEN 7 YRS, AND YOU ONLY WANT TO GIVE ET ONE SEASON!
NO ONE SAID THAT THE RIDERS WERE BETTER, THEY ARE TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT WITH THE SMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, FOR THIS TEAM TO BE AT .500 AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON IS NOT BAD AFTER EVERYBODY PREDICTED THEY WOULD BE WORSE AFTER LOSING SOME FREE AGENTS AND HAVING A YOUNGER TEAM! ET DESERVES TO HAVE AT LEAST 3 TO 5 YRS TO BUILD A CONTENDER, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS REGIME!
To Sportman, I didn't get to respond to the question you asked in the other forum before it got locked.
There is no such thing as planning for something that might happen. Therefore, holding salaries back "in the hopes" of signing Clermont would be wrong on so many levels it would even be funny.
If the Rider post a worse this year based on something that might or should happen in future years, Tillman should be fired on the spot for two reasons, 1st failing to realize this is professional sports, you don't start out the year thinking well lets play for next year. Secondly, his total lack of professionalism displayed thru this rants and back stabbing isn't what is needed in Saskatchewan.
I believe they are a better team, BUT need time to get use to a new system, both on the field and off. Football is a game of strategy and systems, both of which do not come together easily. Players, coaches, and management have to spend many games and even seasons together before they become a winning, successful, cohesive unit, again, on and off the field.
Tillman has already gone a long ways in cutting salary, to comply with the new salary cap system. He was left with a mess, and has done admirably cleaning it up.
I think if we get rid of him because our record is worse than last years we will have to start from scratch again, something I would not look forward to, starting a new season.
Tillman and Austin have to be given time to grow this team, and if they fail to succeed after 4 seasons (or so), I believe then a new regime should takeover.
I loved the clarity of your last post!
Sambo, can you answer me how can coaches like Berry or Higgens or Wally B. take teams and turn them around in one year. And as Rider Fans we can't expect the same thing.
Nobody in the management has said this is a rebuilding year. Yes they lost Kenton K. on offence and Jamal R. (mind you he was hurt most of the season so his impact on last year performance was minimal). In terms of changes along the O-line, I would say we are as good as last year. So that leaves the Defense, we didn't lose anything by cutting Nate D. we already had Perry, Jurineak, and other playing better then he was. The linebackers are next the lost of Mitchel was replaced by someone younger and faster, so imo an upgrade. The only real question then becomes the secondary, the loss there hurts...does it equate to a worse record no...
Special teams have had an upgrade. Overall imo a better team on paper....and therefore should post a record that is the same at the end of year or better. If they don't someone should be held accountable.
...not to butt in front of sambo, becaue I am sure he is more than capable of answering this question for you, but Higgens, Berry and Buono did not have to contend with a SMS when turning their teams around...ET inherited a huge payroll problem....
He is starting to embrass the team, he should go if they don't perform better.
Hey RedandWhite, can you tell me one team in this league that didn't cut players this year because of being over the cap. All teams did it.
Additionally, if as he says he offered Morgan almost as much as he signed for in Edmonton, then the SMS was as big of an issue. I heard a rumor, that they save $150 on joseph's salary alone, add to that Kenton and Jamal salary and you are close to $400 in savings.
So it is not as big of an issue as they are making out. The question still stands, should the rider expect less then what other teams do.
And you could come back with will they stuck 7 years with Barrett and Shivers that was a mistake. They don't want to do it again. Personally, I would have thought the majority of board of governers would have known better after 11 years under Ford when the team almost tanked. And fans started to leave in droves.
Only an idot would think of such a thing. Off the band wagon already Mikejth or hadn't you ever got on it. sheeesh@
I have never been fan of Tillman's....starting with his behaviour in BC....on to his whining in Ottawa....on to his television commentary....
I am however, a fan of the riders...I was there through some the Lancaster playing years and alll of his coaching years, the Ford GM years...and the various up and downs since then. I will likely die cheering for the riders...so yes, I have a right to be critical of the management of the team.
I will have no problem standing at the front of the line at the next general meeting with my one share, asking for Tillman's head if the riders don't perform this year...and not in two years and not in three years....
The thing is mike, you are not giving them a chance to succeed. You have to remember that Austin is a rookie HC, and that, like all rookies, he is going to make mistakes. Austin will learn from those mistakes. You cant tell me that losing your game breaking RB, two of the better DBs in this league, and having to cut veteran guys because of salary cap, that they are going to be better. If they win between 7 to 11 games, thats not bad considering the circumstances. then they can look at ways of improving the team even more next year. Some fans want a Grey Cup this year, but while I hope it does happen to shut naysayers like you up, its a bit unrealistic to say, nothing less will do. Tillman did what he had to do, he told a fan a few facts that he may not have known. I dont think it reflects badly on ET himself, his head coach or the organization. He may have regretted the comments, but at worst he lost his temper, things like that happen when you talk to a stubborn person that fails to see someone else's point of view. I dont regret losing mine because the person I'm debating seems to have the thickness of a pentagon wall.
Hey Sambo...no where did I say they had to win the Grey Cup this year. What I have said, based on the upgrades to this team, there are no excuses for going backwards. Nothing less then 9 and 9 season should be acceptable.
I know there are a number of fans out there that believe the riders have improved on paper, but in the back of their heads they are saying oh this is Saskatchewan we should give them another year or two....maybe they might come around.
As I have said before this is professional sports you play for this year not next year.
I don't like Tillman at all. I question his integrity and professionalism.