Should the federal goverment step in.

The feds are helping at the amateur level, where the money should be spent. We dont need them supporting the CFL or any other pro league. We went down that road before, and it was an ill-conceived idea. The same can be said for putting money into the CFL. Hopefully the league is heading in the direction that they will be able to make it without financial assistance from gov't. Then the money can go to minor football-- better training for coaches, officials and players. As the coaching improves, so will the quality of players making it into the CFL.

We don't need financial assistence, we need stadiums!

Once again, these are not just football stadiums, they are multi use facilities, that can be guaranteed a tenant through a football, soccer, baseball, whatever type of team. It is absolutely a black eye to this country that we should lose a CWGs bid to Africa for cripes sake.

Stadiums are infrastructure.
And are an important part of maintaining our cultural and sporting heritage.
Therefore, it is absolutely a legitimate expenditure for all 3 levels of government--municipal, provincial and federal.
The benefits of maintaining strong infrastructure across the country go far beyond the dollars that are needed in the short term.
The benefits are long term, and varied and many of you have listed a number of them already.
Now if the choice is between roads and hospitals and stadiums, that is another question.
But the reality is, that is not the choice--we can afford to walk and chew gum at the same time when defining spending priorities.
I think these facilities are just as important to the health and well-being of communities as roads and hospitals.
Just try not to build anymore white elephants like Olympic Stadium....

...lets get right to the gist of things with regards to facilitys....stadiums or otherwise....Federal Tax dollars are being spent as we speak for Olympic venues in B.C. .....probably my tax dollars and a lot of other Canadians who will not ever use or see these facilities...I don;t mind that B.C. is getting a huge chunk of change from the feds....it is a world class event but B.C. will probably reap most of the benefits...However Manitoba ...who through Asper...is only asking for matched dollars that are out of his own pocket to build a new facility...should at least get a listen for his effort...The Bombers and the CFL would not be the only users of the new stadium .... it would be beneficial to the province for years to come.....much like the many facilties that B.C. residents will get to use for years to come...built with the help of fed. dollars....just my take... :wink:

Here are a few numbers I found googling "Grey Cup economic impact":
Edmonton '97 -estimated $27.8 million
Vancouver '99- estimated $30 million
Ottawa '04- estimated $43 million
Vancouver '05- estimated $40 million
Winnipeg '06- final numbers could reach $40 million
Every year, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation has what it calls "Tax Freedom Day". This is the day when people have paid all of their taxes for the year, and get to keep what they earn during the rest of the year. Last year, the day was June 19. That puts the overall tax rate at about 46.58%.
If Halifax earned just an average of $30 million for each of 3 Grey Cups, that would generate about $41.9 million in taxes. If a stadium costs $85 million to build, about $39.6 million of that is tax. Add those 2 numbers together, and you have $81.5 million towards the cost of an $85 million stadium.

Good points c-way and papa.
Like I said, infrastructure is important and it isn't like the money spent goes into a black hole (except Olympic Stadium).
The economic spin-offs are very large and the long term benefits are there.
What it comes down to, is a community needs to decide its spending priorities, and if a city/province believe a new stadium is needed, then it is actually the feds responsibility to step up to the plate.
I don't want to see the Feds instigating plans for new stadia, but if Winnipeg wants one, and the province is onside, there is no reason for the Feds not to step up.

And likewise for other cities and provinces.

That’s good news, even if it’s not much money.

Canadian football and the CFL are a part of our culture, and distinctly Canadian (obviously). That would be a way to argue for Gov’t help.

But the CFL is a pro league, and remember when NHL teams asked for Gov’t help? Uproar!

Plus, doesn’t the gov’t already help the CFL, since teams wear the Canadian flag on the backs of their helmets? And didn’t they used to have the gov’t logo (“Canada” with small flag over an ‘a’) on the helmet, too?

I agree that it’s pretty pathetic there’s no world-class stadium in the Maritimes … Makes me lament even more Halifax pulling out of the Commonwealth Games …

btw, another problem with 3 GC’s in 5 years in Halifax (for eg) is that people in Halifax wouldn’t see it as a “special event” anymore … interest would drop off. 3 Grey Cups in 10 or 12 years would be better, I think. Say a Halifazx team started in 2010, you could have GC’s there in ASAP (probably 2012), 2017 and 2022. But it’s true that you then run the risk of the team not working out, and the ownership changing. Maybe 2 Grey Cups in the first 5 years would be better.

Did 'nt they just pay off the one in montreal this year?

I see a few problems with your numbers here.

  1. I highly doubt you can build a decent size stadium for 85 million… I would say 150 million minimum.
  2. Although your 46% tax rate is true it applies only to income(salaries) The largest part of the price tag is material and it is not taxed at 46%
  3. The same applies to the revenues made at the Grey Cup. Only the salaries and profits are taxable at tat rate.
    4)You also must consider that while the Grep Cup did bring in 40 million to Winnipeg and the Gov did collect some taxes on it, it is not new found money.
    What I mean is that for most people who went to the cup and spend say $1000, that money was probably saved up and was not spent somewhere else. Meaning, If I did not save up my money to go to the cup for the gov to collect taxes, I probably would have spent it at home for the gov would have collected the same amount of taxes here.
4)You also must consider that while the Grep Cup did bring in 40 million to Winnipeg and the Gov did collect some taxes on it, it is not new found money. What I mean is that for most people who went to the cup and spend say $1000, that money was probably saved up and was not spent somewhere else. Meaning, If I did not save up my money to go to the cup for the gov to collect taxes, I probably would have spent it at home for the gov would have collected the same amount of taxes here.
this is a most excellent point that is often overlooked any many such situations.

The economic impact of the GC in Winnipeg was $40M but the actual estimates of the tax revenue from that are only around $9M, split between the Fed and Prov govs. One can see that tax revenue from a GC alone is not going to build a stadium anytime soon.

Bombadier certainly gets it's share of our money.

Care to elaborate?

I estimated the cost of a basic stadium similar to old Varsity Stadium in Toronto at $85 million based on the fact that BMO Field, the new soccer stadium in Toronto is being built for $62.8 million. The stadium that was to be built in Halifax for the Commonwealth Games was expected to cost $119 million. It was to have 25000 seats between the goallines, and 25000 temporary seats around the endzones.

The millions and millions they have been given by the feds over the years, as in grants, non-payable loans and they make money. Where have you been, I thought everybody knew about the almost free ride they have been given. You know the old I need fed money or we will move.

I do have to admit that the 46% does apply to income. I could not find the rate for business. I imagine that there isn't as much difference as you would think. Rich corporations, like rich individuals, don't pay anywhere near their share. However, small business, which make up the vast majority, don't have the clout to get the tax break. In a socialist country like Canada, the media isn't on the side of business (and they don't even get to vote).

....so in short pikk you are in agreement when the government spends money on something you think is worthwhile, but disagree with them spending money on something you don't like....just to clarify....

Red sports buildings and arena's put more money back into the economy then some stupid art gallery

....yes, but what price is art?.....