Sask's Herrell on 9G Injury, aka Salary Cap protection List.

So Graham Herrell is hurt! :o

now before we all get all angry.

you have to think like a GM, like Eric Tillman.

it's to keep themselves under the Salary Cap!

with 5 QB's on the List, they had to figure out something...

so why not put your recent QB signing on the 9G injury list!..

if he's really hurt, they better show proof.

Sask abuses the 9-game more than any other team in the league. :thdn:

Except for BC, who's Sean Whyte just happened to have a miraculous recovery and got pulled off the 9-game just in time to replace McCallum :roll:

I think it has a lot less to do with the salary cap and more to do with not wanting to put him on the practice roster so the rest of the league can't scoop him up, and not wanting to put him on the active roster to protect him because he is not even close to ready to play for us.

Maybe they are smart enough to remember what your Eskies did. Steal Joe McGrath off the Calarary practice roster. Didn't teams start putting players on injured after the Eskies stole McGrath. Don't complain when your team started it all. :lol:

Was White on the 9 game? If he was he did have a miracle. :lol:

...if there is a legal loophole in the 9-game then I would imagine EVERY team would use it if needed...the disclaimer to your statement would be "because Saskatchewan has had the most reason to use it lately"....

Each team is allowed to reactivate one player off the 9-game injury list without penalty, one in the first half and one in the second half of the season.

Not exactly. Re-activating a player from the 9-game means that their salary for that time is NOT exempt from the SMS. They are treated as if they had been on the injured list instead of the 9-game.

It's a safe bet to put Harrell on the 9-game, because he's new to the CFL, and they figure there's no way he'll be ready to play that soon. By the time he comes off the list, he'll likely have learned the game enough to go on the active roster.

Question, though: is there a rule against a player on the 9-game IR practicing with the team? And if so, how is it enforced? You always hear of guys coming off an injury doing a "light workout" with the team; what's to stop Harrell from getting a bunch of reps in practice? He may be coming off the IR as a potential starter.

To your question, no, there is no rule against practicing with the team.

But that's the wrong question. The CBA states in regards to the 9-game list:

A Player who has been injured and the injury or injuries are determined by the Member Club doctor to be such that it is probably the Player will be unable to return for 9 games or more, may be placed on the Nine Game Injury List.

So therefore, the league is also not enforcing any type of real proof or standard in which these Member Club doctors are making these decisions. The league could reject the transaction if it felt it was fraudulent, but it doesn't.

See this is what really cheeses me off.

They have signed him to a 2 year deal. He should have to be on the active roster. Period.

If he is placed on the injury list, then how in the world did he pass a physical? Don't you have to pass a physical to sign a contract? If you are hurt, you wouldn't be able to pass a physical.

Everyone abuses this. The Ticats are doing this with WR David Ball. The don't want to put him on the PR because they are afraid that he will be picked up.

The league has to fix this problem.

...you'd think, unless of course you're Marion Hossa and Chicago just signed you to a eight-figure double digit contract length...

This practice does seem a little shady... :expressionless:

Every team abuses this system in one way or another, the only reason it's news now is that the Riders are actually a half decent team again :wink:

I don't think you'll see this change much until the league changes the way the practice roster works. Harrell is not anywhere near ready to be on the active roster just yet, but every team would snatch him up if they placed him on the practice roster.

There is a rule that says a player taken from another team's practice roster must play in the next game. This is meant to prevent teams from snatching players like Harrell from practice rosters before they're ready to play. The problem is that it doesn't say HOW MUCH they must play. Taking one snap would qualify. And nothing says that they have to play in the next game, or the game after that, or the game after that,...

The rule itself is a good one, but perhaps needs some tweaking. It was instituted because teams with a lot of depth at one position would sit a guy on their practice roster, even though he could be a starter with another team. Often these guys would sit on the practice roster for years, completely unused, because no other team was able to offer them a spot on their active roster.

I think the reason the league began to allow an active roster larger than the game-day roster was to stow players like Harrell away where no one could get to him. I guess teams are doing this, but using the IR as a way of hiding more players.

Under any circumstances, though, I don't think a team should be allowed to remove a player from the 9-game injury list until nine games after they were put on. If they can, what's the point of having it?

I don't believe they have to actually play, just that they be placed on the active roster. I think that means they have to dress and make the 42-man cut, but don't actually have to go into the game.

Tweaking the rule is a challenge. It's part of the CBA, because the players want the extra opportunities to play in this league.

The 9-game "recovery" clause is also likely player-motivated, and would be difficult to remove. As it stands, if the player is healing faster than expected, it can be treated like a retroactive transfer to the injured list instead of the 9-game. It prevents healthy stars from sitting on the injured list for that extra couple weeks after they've recovered. It gets the best team put on the field instead of stop-gaps.

Allowing them to pull them off encourages teams to use it as an extra reserve list. Disallowing it will make teams think twice about playing the system that way.

If the guy's legitimately injured, and he's better after 7 games, he has to sit out a couple more. If he's better before that, then he never should have been put on the 9-game list in the first place. The team and the player will just have to deal with it.

It is a black eye on the league. All team abuse it and it should not exist.

A dollar is a dollar and every payroll dollar should be managed in a managed system.

Make the cap a working amount or get ride of it. The fans are the ones getting cheated because teams use the injury list to hide players from other teams where they can contribute and improve the show. The others getting cheated are the players who are only injured for 3 or so games and end up losing half a season or more and take another hit when they try to negotiate their next contract.

Why have a SMS with no transparency. Idiots...

It's easy to complain, it takes some effort to come up with a system that works.

Counting only the salaries of the "players" ( aka those actually playing ) doesn't work because then you could overspend and keep anyone you wanted just so the opposition didn't have them. A system like that would not effectively control costs ( just ask the NFL )

Including all injuries in the cap doesn't work either, because, if you lose a Lumsden or a Keith, you're losing the production and you can't afford to bring in anybody to replace them. You're not delivering a decent product to the fans because the money was spent on the guy who's sidelined.

You need to have a system like they have now, where you have the SMS-exempt injuries as well as maintaining control of salary costs and allowing equality across the league.