Rules Questions

It have two questions regarding the rules from last nights game.

  1. After a change of possession on downs, does the game clock start when when the ref blows the play in?

I think it was near the end of the 3rd, Cats stopped Calgary on a 3rd down attempt. There was something like 12 seconds left and the Cat had the wind. The game clock started when ref blew the play in. That play ate up the quarter.

I always thought the game clock did not start until the ball was snapped on a change of possession.

  1. Can you challenge a horse collar penalty like Dickenson did?

Can you challenge a forward progress/play is stopped like the ball stripping on the QB sneak by Evans.

Thanks for the reply, however thats not the play I'm talking about.

Evans was running and grabbed from behind by the collar. A penalty was called and Calgary challenged that it was not roughing the passer. At least as explained by the ref.

I read something about that, but can't remember where. Anyway, what I read said that the horsecollar rule contains an ambiguity. You can't grab the neckhole (clearly defined area), shoulder pads (also clearly defined), or top of the back of the jersey (not clearly defined). Dickenson challenged that the Calgary player had grabbed the nameplate, so it was below the prohibited zone. Apparently the refs disagreed. Whoever was talking about it said that the league needs to clarify the limits of the prohibited area.

EDIT: Ryan Ballantine talks about it as well in this article.

Outside of 3 mins of each half on any play that stops the clock (out of bounds, incomplete pass, change of possession, score) the clock will start on the referee's whistle.

Even the point after touchdown the game clock runs on the whistle.

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Correct..

Insane amount of clock runoff in Canadian football for 54 minutes juxtaposed by insane clock stoppage for the other 6 minutes.

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And that differs from the NFL how? There's a possibility of SIX time-outs PER HALF inside the 2-minute-warning.

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I didn't mention the NFL but aside from an arbitrary clock stoppage at 2 minutes the American pro game is timed consistently throughout. Those timeouts are available through the entire 60 minutes.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the CFL has 2 timeouts per half (or is it 2 timeouts per game, formerly 1 timeout per half?) on top of the guaranteed parade of stoppages under 3 minutes.

I prefer the Canadian convention however of having the game expire with 0:00 on a live ball. No walk off with time remaining.

Anyways, I'll take the simpler clock convention that produces roughly the same number of plays.

CFL is two timeouts per game, but you can't use them BOTH inside the three-minute warning.

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That was it... thanks for the clarification.. im getting rusty on the details these days..

Does anyone have any idea what the call was when Castillo missed the field goal?
The Lions were awarded a point, and the Ticats got the ball at the 40. That would mean the refs somehow said the returner was down in the end zone, which he wasn’t.
But, if that was the call, then wouldn’t the Ticats get the ball at the previous line of scrimmage, about the 51 yard line, not the 40?
The whole play made no sense.

I was at the game and I still don't understand the call.

The only thing the ref said, was the command centre overruled the call on the field.

These are some reasons I think communications between the command centre and the head ref should be broadcast. Sometimes these command calls seem randon and arbitrary and no one knows why.

Sometimes they ARE random and arbitrary.

The original call on the field seems to have been that the ball hit the upright, although there was no whistle. The game log indicated this, with a dead ball and no point awarded.

Then the Command Centre overruled it, saying that the ball did not hit the upright. But that's when it gets confusing. The amended game log indicated that Woods recovered the ball inside the end zone and was tackled there. So a rouge was awarded, and Ticats started at the 50.

But as we all saw, the ball bounced out to around the two yard line, Woods recovered it with his feet planted outside the end zone, and he was then pushed back into the end zone where he was finally brought down. From my understanding of the rule, there should not have been a rouge, and the Ticats should have started inside the two.

No idea what the Command Centre was looking at.

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From the rules:

If the single point was scored as the result of an unsuccessful field goal attempt,
the team scored against may elect to scrimmage the ball at any point between
the hash marks on its own 40-yard line or at the previous line of scrimmage.

It was one of the changes this year...

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So, the Ticats should have started at the 51, not the 40.

My mistake. They got the ball at the 50(ish), the original LOS of the field goal attempt, not the 40.

It took a little digging but this is what I was able to find out.

The original ruling was that the ball hit Woods and bounced out of the end zone where it was recovered. Woods was subsequently tackled with forward progress awarded to the 1 yard line.

The command centre ruled that Woods was pushed back into the end zone. He escaped the tackle thus re-establishing himself in the end zone. He was subsequently tackled short of the goal line resulting in a single point being awarded.

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In that case, wouldn't it be a safety?

I don't think I've ever heard that phrase uttered before now.

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