Obviously we have a different sense of humour if you don’t see a ball bouncing off someone’s ass being designated a “recovery” as funny.
Ass also isn’t a vulgar term and you are only trying to make it so because you disagree with my view on the lame ass rule I am against. The word was taught to me as I recall when I was 3 or 4 in Montessori school, accompanied by the picture of a donkey.
I have no idea by what you mean when you say “directed”. I was directing nothing, just opining. You are the one accused of dictating how people should express themselves by another and indeed objecting to the non vulgar term “ass” is doing so again. You also labelled those opposed as “whiners” when I didn’t see anyone labelling you a not very nice name for expressing your opinon.
I’m a big boy too, but I’m not going to abide self righteous posts being unanswered on a personal level. Let us move on and ixnay on the personal comments please.
I didn’t know about the previous safety rule. Interesting.
Still no answer to my question on doinks. In fact I doubt there is one.
To me if a rule can be shown to be fundamentally logically flawed (ie. a rouge for big misses but not for doinks), then it needs to go.
I do understand how rules rooted in 1800’s rugby and what passed for football become distorted by subsequent changes to the game over time. I am sure several rules needed to be changed when the forward pass was introduced. The rouge, once relevant in the usual 3-2 game back in the day, should have been turfed long ago once it essentially became obsolete.
That still doesn’t answer my question, even with your proposed modification. Even with your modification a field goal could be missed 10 yards left or right but stay in the end zone for a single point. A far more accurate kick that results in a doink is awarded nothing. Why?
It is the opposite of logic and other sports/games. I have never seen a target for example award more points for hitting the outer rings. Does not compute for me.
To follow up with my suggestions, my rationale for the kickoffs at the 40 is to pin them as deep as possible forcing them to earn their field position (even the possibility of giving up a point to start at the 20).
The CFL (It it’s form) has been an official League since 1958,
66 years!
I believe the rouge has been a CFL rule since then
Thats a ton of history
I say keep it and deal with it
You may see it as a less accurate kick but in reality it is a more accurate kick I would say. But with less reward.
It’s a conundrum to me.
The problem could be solved one day by holographic goalposts that if touched by the ball would result in a field goal or at least keep the ball in play for a rouge as it would sail through the goalposts.
I do like the holographic goal posts idea. Could add virtual adds on it too… a favourite for many people here!
I guess it would be a more accurate kick based on the motion that anyone actually aims for the goal post.
I extrapolate the concept on the field of play. Catching a ball with both feet on the sideline is mathematically harder to do than catching it within the 65 x 110 yard field, yet a player wouldn’t get any extra yards earned because they caught it on a smaller target.
What philosophies fashion our opinions on merit in the Canadian code of football and its peculiar rouge?
I suppose if one accepts that a football field includes goal posts. Then avoiding hitting those goal posts is part of the risk for trying for 3. Its not just that. Those goal posts have stood on that goal line since various forms of proto-football in mid 19th century UK. Striking them may get you nothing. They dont just ruin field goals. They ruin forward passes, they ruin recievers and DBs who lose track of where they are on the field and hypothetically they ruin punts for a game winning rouge. They are part of the football environment and have to be dealt with.
Before the forward pass and the capabilities of modern kicking specialists, it was a valuable kick across the goal line that became dead in goal.
Hugh Gall was the 1st Grey Cup’s MVP in 1909. He earned the MVP and championship for the University of Toronto by scoring 8 rouges. Its a Grey Cup record that stands to this day.
The forward pass and expanded rosters that gave us kick and punt specialists have rendered the “kicked rouge out of bounds” too easy a scored point over which a game or championship could be won.
So I still think the “playable rouge” tweak is the solution. It is simple and adds a further skill requirement to the kick and forces the kicking team to cover the potential return in order to score. It would make the rouge the hardest point to score for the situations where it would obviously decide the game.
Whether contact with the goal posts should result in a dead ball or not is another debate.
The ball does not enter the end zone while the play is live on a doink.
The rouge is not a reward for accuracy, it is a detriment to the defending team allowing play to end in their end zone, though perhaps hitting the upright on a kick should be worth a point as the goal line is in the end zone.
In darts, the outer edge of the board is worth double points, even though it’s further from the bulls-eye.
Count me out. Are we going to have holographic foul poles? Holographic baskets for basketball?
What about the ping when a puck hits the post in hockey? Having balls smack inanimate structures is part of sports…and its part of football…
Leave it to the NFL to continue to ruin gridiron and in Canada we can hopefully continue to have things like proper classic free kick kickoffs with everyone onside and real physical goal posts!
You seem to be of the same opinion as many that the Rouge needs to at least be tweaked to bring it into at least the 1900’s. My opinion of course is that the Rouge is archaic and well past it’s best before date, but I have also stated that any lessening in the ability of teams to score a Rouge is a welcome start. I’ll take what I can get. If the Grey Cup is ever won by a shanked field goal I will pretend to the rest of the world that I have never even heard of the CFL. I also had never heard of the 8 Rouge game so thanks for that historical tidbit. 8 Rouges! If that ever happened again I would also have to pretend I had never heard of the CFL.
I would argue that the only reason the once wooden and now synthetic goalpots impede a kick is because holographic goalposts weren’t yet a thing in the 1800’s. The premise is that if a field goal is missed and the ball is past the goal line that a single be awarded. The goalposts prevent that. As someone suggested, perhaps a single should be awarded for a doink but that isn’t fair either as the receiving team would have no chance to run it out. Perhaps a doink being a live ball might be a better solution?
All I know is that when I have to both perform and watch others perform mental gymnastics to justify a rule, that rule is seriously flawed and of course in my opinion flawed enough to be turfed in it’s entirety. No amount of lipstick will make this 150 year old pig look pretty to me.
I also know that a doink is a better kick than one shanked well wide yet receives no reward. I also know that the outside of the dartboard is worth double and that the inner ring is worth triple, but if we’re going to get into that we may as well bring in the dribble kick and windmills and mini golf. Archery is a better example than darts as are numerous board games as is common sense. Horseshoes is also good.
We almost certainly will. We already have electronics governing many sports to a certain extent with more on the way. Tennis is perhaps the best example. No humans needed for line calls. That is actually an improvement. It is no secret that balls and strikes will soon be electronic. Little doubt that will be an improvement and more fair although we’ll all miss the animated ump calls. Footballs have a chip. It won’t be long before the chip is used to decide TD’s or whether someone has made the line to gain. Again that will be fairer. Golf will no doubt use technology as well to find balls and determine where they crossed into a hazard at the very least. Soccer balls will tell you whether they crossed the goal line as will pucks.
Some of these innovations will take longer than others. The smaller the ball the harder to make the chip not affect it. At one point there will probably be some sort of weightless electronic paint or signature that does away with the need for even a chip.
I’m not advocating or dissing any of these ideas which will in all likelihood become reality. These and many more. I probably won’t see too many more in my lifetime, but technology has a way of progressively increasing at warp speed so who knows.
As to the visual impact of a puck going into the net or hearing it hit a goalpost, while I would miss that I doubt many Millenials and younger would. Remember that because of them we already don’t have quiet with an organ playing at times between plays and are not capable of cheering a goal or hearing the roar of the crowd because of the damn horn and other noises that apparently others besides myself love to hear. The natural sounds of the game have already been eliminated or are on life support. It’s not a big step to do the same to the natural sights of the game.
Sorry but I must have missed the question. the NFL kickoff rule? No idea. Haven’t bothered to make myself familiar with it. All I know is that any mission to reduce injuries is a worthy one. How it all ends up I don’t know and don’t have any miracle solutions. It will come for the CFL as well. One lawsuit and they could be done.
You also haven’t answered my question re the doink not being rewarded vis a vis far worse kicks that are rewarded.
Neither do I. Where do you get some of these statements from? If I could make things I wanted to disappear life would be a lot different.
I am aware of that. My opinion is different in case you aren’t clear on that.
Huh? Show me where I am presenting this as an NFL vs CFL thing. I am commenting on a rule (or two or three) I don’t like and explaining why I don’t like it. I am fully Canadian and very secure in that knowledge. Perhaps you are not and constantly extrapolating these Yankee vibes onto me? I don’t know. You tell me. There are other threads for CFL v NFL arguments and this isn’t one of them.
Cueing the Bon Jovi jokes now are you?! I see what you are doing there! We’ve heard them for decades now, and those New Jersey people can’t stop talking about them of course, blah blah blah blah John Mellencamp was always more talented and better blah blah blah blah …
“He’s giving love a bad name you know …”
“You know he’s a cowboy. On a steel horse he rides. Because he’s wanted …”
and the list goes on and on …
