Richie Hall gone

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Richie Hall will be fired Friday.

But is it possible he could be hired back three or four weeks later by the new head coach as the defensive co-ordinator?

Is Richie Hall the one person in all of football who might be able to make that work?

Is he the one individual who could walk back into the organization which had just canned him and return to doing what he did best in the business without anyone being uncomfortable about it?

Because of the Eskimos wanting to put the season in the background as fast as possible and the Grey Cup hosting in the foreground as soon as possible, this wasn’t a matter tomull over for a month.

And with the possibilities of Ken Miller, 69, deciding to move into a non-coaching job in Saskatchewan and maybe even Wally Buono, 60, replacing himself as head coach in B.C., new G.M. Eric Tillman won’t waste any time in making the announcement that he’ll be looking for a new head coach for the Edmonton Eskimos.

If Thursday wasn’t Remembrance Day, the dirty deed would likely have been done 24 hours earlier. But holding a press conference to fire a football coach at 11 a.m. on Nov. 11 just wouldn’t be the right thing to do.

But the sooner the better.

If you’re not going to be the only one on the market for a new head coach, you might as well start the process first.

Early bird gets the worm and all that.

It’s too bad, considering the man involved, that it’s been a case of ‘When’ instead of ‘If’ Hall will be fired.

Usually when a coach gets fired, fans are all lathered up about punishing the poor sod for his lack of success, want him tied to the tracks, tarred and feathered and run out of town with arrows in his back.

It’s not like that with Hall. Almost everybody involved including the 348,926 fans the Eskimos drew for a pre-season and nine regular season games (but for a sixth straight season no playoff game) in Commonwealth Stadium this year, are going to wish it would have worked out for Hall.

He was fired in print several times this season but the even the people who were pulling the trigger would rather he’d had success and been able to justifiably the Eskimos being able to keep him on the job.

There’s almost never been a reference to Richie Hall without a mention of what a nice guy the way he handled himself, not changing whatsoever over the two years.

If there’s one job that seems to change people dramatically overnight it seems to be going from an assistant coach to a head coach in football. But it didn’t happen with Hall.

The very people who were saying he was failing were still cheering for him to succeed. How often do you see that happening?

The same players who failed to get motivated to win for him mostly would like to see him back next year.

Remember when the Eskimos started the season at 0-4 and finally won one and the players happily gave him a Gatorade shower? And then went out and made it 2-9? It’s all wrapped up in there somewhere.

Richie Hall isn’t wired like a lot of football coaches.

The reason Richie Hall waited so long to become a head coach was that so many people, including Eric Tillman twice, first in hiring Kent Austin and then Ken Miller to be head coaches in Saskatchewan, figured Hall just wasn’t cut out to be a head coach. The bottom line when all is said and done Friday is that will have turned out to be proven true.

But this is the same guy Tillman offered more money than any other defensive coordinator in the league to stay at the same position in Saskatchewan the year he went to Edmonton as head coach.

Austin, who won a Grey Cup with him in 2007, would probably hire him in a minute if he ever comes back to the CFL. Can’t see why a Dave Dickenson or a Kavis Reed, the two people being mentioned as early favourites to be offered the job Hall hasn’t officially lost yet, wouldn’t want him either even if the Eskimos gave up the second most points in their history this year with Hall taking on defensive co-ordinator responsibilities in addition to being head coach.

It would be nice if Hall could come back to try to be all he could be at what he was meant to be. It would be nice to still see his smiling face every day.

This is a mistake. If you look at how the team improved and how well they played in the second half, why would you fire him and start over with a new HC? This constant carousel is why Winnipeg is consistently bad (and why Hamilton was when they were doing it).

He showed that he can get it done, after a rough start. There's no reason not to give him another season to continue to move things in the right direction.

Agreed that this is a mistake to release him and start over as next year will be Hall's 1st season with a real GM .
that being said it also was Tillman that bypassed Hall twice to promote him to HC in Sask.

Protect your QB at all costs and put the fear of God in theirs :twisted: and this is what we are not doing :oops:

I've got 50 cents riding on Hall staying as head coach there with other coaches to be fired instead. Of course at 10000:1 odds, why not right?

Personally, I'm hoping that if Tillman does fire him we pick him back up in Saskatchewan. Perhaps he's not the best Head Coach out there but he's definitely not an asset you let go of.

I am pretty sure that The reason for Firing Hall is to start fresh.

Tillman's brain is running on high gear right now and he knows what he is about to do.

he probably already has someone in his radar for the coaching position.

Assuming, as appears to be the case, that Hall is gone, it'll be interesting to see what happens with the assistants.

The new coach would do well to keep Prinzen and Nelson. The Esks offensive line sure improved under Prinzen, as did the linebacking corps under Nelson. Combine that with the fact that Nelson did a good job as defensive coordinator in Winnipeg the previous season under rather trying circumstances (having Mike Kelly as his boss!), and it would be a good move to promote him to that role in Edmonton, in my opinion.

but you see, the reason that when hall was hired that a lot of those coaches were kept is because Maciocia, instead of allowing hall to choose whoever he wanted, made Hall keep some of the guys.

Danny was putting his nose into a place he shouldn't have.

Tillman will let the New Coach choose all of his new Assistants.

the same o-line that nearly got ricky ray killed on a couple of occasions????
i've never seen ray as banged-up as he was this season.
he looked like a tackling dummy out there.

And that is as it should be.

I'm just saying that the new coach would be well advised to retain Prinzen and Nelson. . . just my opinion.

....the opinion of someone who enjoys seeing ricky ray used as a tackling dummy.

if that isn't reason enough to fire prinzen, i dunno what is.

Just so we're clear. . . that post was in reply to cflisthebest, not drummer . . .

Now, drummer, I acknowledge that the Esks o line was responsible for RR getting banged up a lot this year. . . but I believe mots of their problems were early in the season under Beamer, and when he was let go an Prinzen took over, there was a noticeable improvement.

oh. you should have quoted the post you were replying to, as it was not the post directly above your reply.

now, regarding your post; ray missed 2 games ( or maybe 3? ) with a banged-up shoulder that came from playing behind a prinzen-coached o-line.
i saw no difference in results.
the oline is good at making wholes for RB's, but is weak in pass protection.

Why do the Eskimos keep launching trial balloons?

Eric Tillman likely to be named GM
Richie Hall likely to be fired

I don't buy the Remembrance Day timing in all of this. Convenient excuse. IMHO, it's what they call in the media a trial balloon, plain and simple, to see whether there's this great hue and cry and public outrage first. Then they carry on with what they intended to do.

MadJack, I was thinking the same thing about Prinsen because I thought the Esks' oline improved but after looking at the sacks stats I'm not so sure. In their first 7 games the Esks gave up 18 sacks while under Prinsen they gave up 23 sacks in 11 games. Not really much of a difference.

I remember Tillman was pretty high on Dave Ritchie when Austin left Sask, was between him and Miller for the job, Although Ritchie is getting up there in age and may not want back in.

You are absolutey correct drummer, I should have. Sorry about that, will try to ensure that I never make that mistake again.

Well Blue Blood it just goes to prove that old line about perception being reality. . .

Ritchie was interviewed during a BC Lions game this year and said he would love to return to coaching.

However, the rumour that Dave Naylor of TSN floated out there is Kavis Reed. (Is there a vomit smilie that I can insert here?)

I support the firing of Hall. I don't care if the players like him. Your coach isn't supposed to be your best friend. Edmonton needs someone who will get the best out of his players. That guy isn't Hall.

...and I'm not sure it'd be Kavis Reed... :?

…Hall is gone in edm…will he be retained as a dc.? / can you say AWKWARD…Although it’s been done before, it wouldn’t be a scenario Tilman would want for his new coach…AND IF that new coach were Kavis Reed, you can bet the Bombers have Halls number on speed dial…Both teams could get this all done ,without even disturbing the play-off waters, as both clubs are in next year mode…AND bottom line for the Bombers…I think Hall would be salivating at a chance to coach an up and coming d squad like there is in the Peg… :wink: We’ll see

Yes, you would think he'd be rather attracted to the possibility of going from coaching what was arguably the weakest defensive line in the league to coaching what is arguably the best.