Record four Canadians drafted by the NFL

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Brent Urban (Ticat 2nd round pick) #134 Baltimore
John Urshel Penn State #175 Baltimore
T.J Jones Notre Dame #184 Detroit
LD Tardif McGill #200 Kansas


I don't think Jones or Urshel applied for non-import status which they may or may not regret. Three years down the road they could be on the bubble if they don't become starters but won't be eligible to play in the CFL as non-imports. They might be able to apply later, if they happen to get cut, and go through a supplemetal draft. Don't know.

Personally I think the seven year thing for Canadian born players is kind of stupid. If they are Canadian born they should be eligible for the Canadian draft without having to jump through red tape. The talent pool is small enough now with the NFL taking the top players.

Jones and Urshel might think now that they will be NFL stars and have long careers there, but better players then them have been cut by NFL teams because of numbers etc. IMO they should be considered non-imports because of their Canadian birth without having to apply. Which would allow CFL to draft them in the late rounds so down the road is they do get cut they would have a fall back option if they wanted to continue playing football.

But is a player born in Canada who moves to and grows up the States “Canadian”? What about a player borbn the int US but who grows up in Canada?

More importantly, as someone explained on the board recently the ratio is not based simply on place of birth in order to avoid potential lawsuits about discrimination; now it is not nationality but rather a training based criterion, like a license for an electrician.

Agreed. As you say, more and more Canadian talent is being noticed down south and with expansion in the CFL, the already paper thin talent pool is only going to get even thinner. The more talent the better (both for imports and non-imports)

There is not even one team worth of non-imports in the NFL. Like 15 at best, and two thirds of them were born outside of Canada. Furthermore, all four of these Canadians are at very long odds to become NFL regulars. They were all drafted ahead of the SEC defensive player of the year mind ya, but anything after the third round can be cut in year 2 without the scouts and GM looking like fools. This is the fundemental reason most CFL players who try the NFL get cut despite often outperforming their counterparts. This is precisely why Casey Printers was cut by KC instead of Brody Croyle despite Printers out performing Croyle badly during the preseason. Croyle was a third round draft pick and Printers was a freebe from the CFL.A player picked in rounds five through seven isnt in a much better position then undrafted free agents. The scouts and GM never had much faith in you in the first place, and it would not be a loss of face to cut them. I remember listening to Seattle radio a few years ago and listeners were losing their minds because Seattle had cut their third round draft pick and kept a freebe from the CFL... He would go on to be a probowler. Yes I'm talking about Brandon Browner. Management had to put their necks on the line to get him on the team. No allowances will be made for any of these 4 Canadians. If they don't put out, they will be out of the NFL as fast as you can say Jessie Lumsden, or Andy Fantuz

Makes sense to me Bungle what you're saying and scouts are paid fairly well by NFL teams I gather.

But is a player born in Canada who moves to and grows up the States "Canadian"? What about a player born in the US but who grows up in Canada?

More importantly, as someone explained on the board recently the ratio is not based simply on place of birth in order to avoid potential lawsuits about discrimination; now it is not nationality but rather a training based criterion, like a license for an electrician.

The way things are set up now, a player born in Canada has to live here for seven years before his 15th birthday. Doesn't make sense to me. What difference is it if they move to the States when they are one year old or seven years old. They are still learning all their football in the US. So why the red tape? IMO it should be "born in Canada" you are a non-import end of story.
I don't know what lawsuit or discrimination that could cause.

The other scenario of being born outside Canada but then move here later. You have to live in Canada 5 years before your 17th birthday. They are actually more "Canadian" then the Canadian born kids that grow up in the States because they play their minor Ball in Canada. But who's counting lol.
The three Westerman brothers are an example of these rules. The oldest boy was in high school when they moved to Canada, so he doesn't qualify for the non-import status even though he played high school football in Canada. But his two younger brothers do because of the 5 year rule.

It was well explained in another thread; if that poster should share or point us in that direction it would be great. The change from place of birth was made specifically to avoid legal issues.

Doesn’t make sense to me either. All the excessive, and in some cases outright weird rules need to be streamlined to raise the overall talent level in the league.

Well what needs to stop is this ability for anyone in the world who has never played football before to be considered a Canadian. Josh Bartel is an anomoly now only because he obviously has rich parents and can live in Canada on what is basicly Australian minimum wage. However with the new TV moneycoming in ,the amount of money kickers could soon be close to 100K, even if they only do one skill like Bartel. If you punt and kick field goals you are already making over 100 K. However if the CFL keeps expanding it's roster and increasing pay, I soon see where no teams will employ duel roled kickers. I rue the day when our kickoff specialists are all reject soccer goalies ,and our punters are all failed AFL players who are good at "torpedo" kicks. If a player has no football training, then they should still have the five year requirement like Ben Cahoon had to have. Cahoon was not born in Canada, and never played organized football in Canada, but had spent 5 years of his childhood in Canada. To me, that is pretty far as I want to go to call someone a non-import. Bartell qualified more through a loophole, because he had never recieved football training in Canada or anywhere in the world for that matter. As far as I know, Bartel did not step foot in this country until this decade.
If Bartel is good enough to be a kicker in the CFL like Justin Medlock then that is fine, however, if he is taking the job of a Canadian then it is wrong.

Here is a good history lesson.

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I like the first suggestion. If a player is on a CFL roster for at least 3 or 4 seasons he becomes a non-import. These guys have resided and paid income taxes, sales taxes, and I assume EI, CPP etc into our system. They should be classified as Canadians or Canadian residents.

Yes that pretty well tell the tale of what has happened and why the “Naturelized Canadian” plan fell through. I think the problem could still have been avoided if the cut player would have still been considered a Canadian and any team picking him up could then have four until one retired etc.

But I don’t think Laskin’s ruling of where a player receives his football training is very relevant now. Kids go to US prep schools now instead of playing high school football in Canada. Players like Bartel are allowed to play as Canadians etc.
It is a real mishmash.

Somehow some common sense should happen and make it “a Canadian citizen” is a non-import. Any non-Canadian is an import. Pretty simple, and if one team happens to get a few more Naturelized Canadians than the others so what. Work harder at recruiting players like Pinball or Glenn January, players who want to become Canadians and continue living up here.