Re: Expansion Commissioner

The Halifax region has twice the population as the Regina region. If the expectations are a stadium the size of McGill's in Montreal, maybe making the availability of tickets rare can keep the place full. The people do have money for entertainment !

I have many relatives in the Maritimes, mostly in NS. Over the years I have asked if they would go to CFL games. 50-50 split, but we are talking over a hundred people I have asked. Most did not live within an hour of Halifax. They either did like football a lot or not at all. Seems there were a few that could be convinced. The ones that did finally see a CFL game live ,were hooked.

I have many relatives. My father had 8 siblings and my Mother had 15, yes FIFTEEN brothers and sisters. I have well over 100 first cousins.

Halifax makes the most sense to me.

From the point of view of selling tickets, it would be a Halifax team. That is why I have argued in the past that the primary marketing focus should be on Halifax. The overwhelming majority of tickets would be sold within the 550k or so people living in HRM and central Nova Scotia. Anything beyond is gravy.
Financially, the maritimes are poorer than other regions, but the cities aren't doing that badly. It is harder to bring jobs to rural areas. It's the same most places.

As proven in Regina and Green Bay, it's not about population it's about football interest and tradition. If it was about population you wouldn't see small crowds in Toronto and Vancouver.

The question is; would a rich ownership group risk their money to start up a team that only plays 9 home games, in an untested market.
It's never going to happen.

The concern needs to be getting more fans in the seats in Vancouver and Toronto.
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THAT is exactly correct.

Vancouver and TO are big cities and want big name cities as visitors. Its all about perception and high quality presentation. Many things have failed and resurface as success. Just spent a week in Phoenix and another in Vegas.
I can tell you NHL is and will do very well in that area. Las Vegas does not Fail!!!!!! Ever.

Bring it on!! Bigger names and presentation with quality owners backed with BIG BUCKS.

As proven in Regina and Green Bay, it's not about population it's about football interest and tradition.
This is true it takes time (50 years maybe) to develop tradition.

Just some facts on Green Bay. They are a host city for a NFL team that is vital to there community. With out the surrounding population there would be no team.
Green Bay Population 105,000 Milwaukee 100 miles away 610,000. Population around Milwaukee touching Green Bay, a total of 2,100,000 !!!!! Very heavy populated area. Same size as basically Vancouver area.
Chicago is 2 hours away. Milwaukee beer and tools. A shipping port. Google city of Green Bay

Saskatchewan great tradition is developed and fasts growing population. But not small.
Regina metropolitan area 241,422 Saskatoon 305,975 metropolitan area for total population 547,397.
Not including small near by towns or cities.
Cheers

Er, except for the Posse . . .

THAT is exactly correct.

Vancouver and TO are big cities and want big name cities as visitors. Its all about perception and high quality presentation. Many things have failed and resurface as success. Just spent a week in Phoenix and another in Vegas.
I can tell you NHL is and will do very well in that area. Las Vegas does not Fail!!! Ever.

Bring it on!! Bigger names and presentation with quality owners backed with BIG BUCKS.
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Vegas does not Fail!!! Ever.
Having spent a “LOT OF TIME” there, I won’t, in some cases can’t, go into detail but we had/still have the Nevada Test Site, hundreds of nuclear tests not all of which did what we expected. NERVA Tests, nuclear rocket engine that we tested upside down, no comment.
AREA 51–Black is a very expensive and dangerous color. AREA 6 still Top Secret test area no details on test issues.
Lots of success for this Country, lot of hard work by Techs, Engineers, and Management, with significantly more success than failure.

Football in Las Vegas in the Summer outdoors doesn't sound like a good idea . Been there mid Summer and the locals there act like us Canadians in the mid Winter they don't like the outdoors much that time of year. They don't like to sit and sweat outdoors watching sports. The Posse was the only CFL franchise in history that died mid season for a reason . Bad ownership was just one issue out of hundreds .

Las Vegas is NFL territory and no where in the United States does the CFL sub plant their 4 down version of football .

The Baltimore Stallions never brought any more fans to Toronto because they were situated in Baltimore .

All major leagues without exception have New York City . Unless the CFL brings in the big guy with long term success there is no way the CFL works down south . Plus if we go down there then how do we object the NFL coming here which would end our version of football in Canada .

There is only two maybe three cities in Canada to expand and that's it . They are only achievable thru a community ownership group or a diversified investment thru real estate and other sports leagues who would be interested in sharing the venue . That's it that's all .

Nice THE POSSE is not LAS VEGAS!!! Casinos and big big money always seems to come up winners. They are buying the NHL team, curling events, NFL, Pole dancing championship to attract even more suckers. They always win in the long term
They don't want the CFL My point was more to NHL teams and pole dancing. ASK Lyle !!!!

ESPN broadcast last week on TSN 1150 Hamilton after the Charger move, brought up the NFL to TO again but also said what might be a better idea is that the best team in the CFL joins the NFL and who ever drags the bottom of the standings in the NFL plays the CFL season. I thought it was interesting and under lying the thought is an acceptance of the CFL by the ESPN broadcasters. ESPN show is aired before the Hamilton crew comes on at noon.

Sorry, but a terrible idea. First, you have franchises that play under a certain set of rules. Second, the franchise values are set by factors like TV money. Do you think an NFL owner will be happy at the thought of being bounced out of the NFL contracts. Third, and least, is the travel. Say BC wins the Cup and the Bills are worst. Can you see the Lions playing the AFC East?

A development league is being put forward in USA for NFL. Young future stars. They will play in there own league.
All American rules. CFL could maybe join or not. Again American rules for all teams.
Or stay the coarse with the CFL 8 or 9 teams. This new league would take all the top players from any university n USA or Canada.

I would be happy with a play off Wild card game every year .

That is the worst idea I have ever heard or read.
That ESPN broadcaster seems like either an idiot or a joker to see who would fall for it.

Football in Vegas never worked summer or fall.

They did well with the XFL, but I was there for 4 Locos fall games in the UFL. ( 2010 - 2011 - 2012 2 x )

My first game had 5,600 and the last one about 500.

BTW, many former UFL players are now in the CFL.

Also, former Locos coach Jim Fassell is still sitting in Vegas doing nothing.

I would like to see him up here. He would do very well.

why is that so important for some Canadians to be accepted by the US and recognized by ESPN??
it sounds to me like whoever said that had absolutely no idea about the CFL, do they know that the CFL has 3 downs, play on a larger field with 2 extra players on the field, where you only need one foot in bounds to make a pass reception, etc and so many other rule differences ??
It sounds like something that a kid would say. It tells me that this ESPN person has NEVER watched a CFL game :thdn:

I have always stated previously on this board that a few strategically placed US cities along the border would work.
Make sure such cities like for example Spokane, Maine, Syracuse have no other pro team(Minor League ball does not count).
Make sure they have a CFL ready stadium for at least 30,000, with 25,000 pre paid season ticket holders for a minimum 3 years.
Now add the expansion fee, which has increased from before to include inflation by other crazy leagues to $50M and it may work.

Maine is a city?

I would bet there are few cities anywhere in the U.S. with a "CFL-ready" football stadium. The CFL field is wider than American fields, as well as being 30 yards longer. Unless there is a 400-metre track around the field, most U.S. football stadiums can't squeeze in a Canadian football field.

Portland, Maine.

Most US universities have built separate stadiums for track & field because of the 400 metre track and they are less than 5,000 seat capacity. Most cities in the US build stadiums to accommodate an NFL or soccer field. Soccer field dimensions are similar to US football dimensions.
The only way that the CFL could expand to the US, if there was interest, would be to change over to an NFL dimension field. But then if the CFL changes to an NFL sized field it would also mean eliminating the 2 extra players on the field, and the uprights to the back of the end zone.