The kid has some upside but He need work harder Then he did in Oakland

Akili Smith > JaMarcus Russell

And just what pray tell in Russell's entire history going into also LSU would give you the idea that Russell's ever been a worker or will suddenly change? You drinking what Davis was drinking? :roll:

Do you even bother to read all the other feedback on Russell like in those articles from those closer to the team before forming such an opinion?

Never mind it's all about that strong arm right? :roll:

Watching NFL Network
They Just talk about Russell being on Cats Neg list and made a Joke about canada.
They think if Russell don't get call in next 3 Weeks
The Cats will Pounce
They said we watch film out in the cold

Americans so uneducated when it comes to our Country

Americans really have nothing to realistically make fun of us for so they pick petty stuff like weather. Even South Park only really made fun of things like how we say about. They want to seem bigger and better in their own minds. Most at least.

Dude, it was a joke. At least the stuff about watching film outside. Mike Lombardi's feelings that he'll get a call in 3 weeks was way off. I hate when NFL people try and speak like they know how the CFL operates.

There is no way the Cats will bring Russell in. He had zero work ethic when he was making millions, he had no work ethic when he was at LSU, so why would anyone think he'll develop one now? The guy is a bum. Keep him away.

Mockery about Canada as a whole would be uncalled for no doubt.

But seriously if the Ti-Cats are considering Russell, the guys at the NFL Network are spot on.

See previous comments about Russell and his past before you jump on any such apparent local Hamilton media bandwagon. For the good of the entire CFL for that matter.

It doesn't seem like anyone in Hamilton is too keen on seeing Russell wear the Black & Gold, so no fears there. I think some people see "cannon-arm" and "former #1 overall pick" and start to think he'll be good in the CFL. I am not one of those people. I didn't think he'd be good in the NFL, and I felt from day 1 that this guy would never bring anything to Oakland. But as any NFL observer knows, if you can do freakishly athletic things, Al Davis will find a place for you on his team.

The thing everyone is forgetting is that 90%+ of the guys on neg lists never see the practice field of the team holding their rights. The neg list is mostly for emergency needs.

Look at it this way.. a neg list (for the most part) is simply a way to stop other teams from signing players you don't really want but may need someday.

At this point he'd be a better lineman than a QB.

The difference between lowly Bruce Gradkowski and Russell was palpable. Most fans could see the difference immediately. Gradkowski actually played with verve and intensity, and the team played for him. As soon as Russell stepped on the field you could see the heads hang down and the effort evaporate. Clearly his team mates had no confidence in him. The Raiders will actually be much improved and competitive team this year now that the Russell cancer has been excised.

Rpaege is right. Many will blame the Raiders organisation along the following lines, but ultimately Russell is just plain as lazy as they come as a "Ida" with a strong arm who slipped through the cracks of Al Davis.

Some other looming examples in that awful Raider tradition except their fight song as copied from another post:

In other news of the miserably failing Raider tradition that goes well beyond draft busts like Russell, even though they have the best fight song of all time (WARNING, do not listen to when drinking alcohol or you might be tempted to play pirate for real!)


here are one looming draft bust in Heyward-Bey and yet another serious underperformer already relative to his high-round pick as well.

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Paolo, with regards to DHB, that is entirely the Raiders fault. He was not even close to the best WR in the 2009 draft, and because he could fly (the reincarnation of Cliff Branch and James Jett perhaps?) the Raiders selected him. He'll go down as a bust because of where he was drafted, as well as having his career compared to Michael Crabtree's. It's unfortunate because DHB could've been a decent deep threat for someone. Unlike Russell, DHB isn't lazy, but he also should never have been selected with the 7th overall pick. He's a slightly more talented Ted Ginn, Jr. The Raiders will have to take 100% blame for DHB, just like the Dolphins will for drafting Ted Ginn, Jr. so high.

(Continuing A Side But Related Discussion On The Awful Draft History Of The Raiders Beyond Russell In General For Those Of You Wondering ...)

Definitely Blogskee ...I think Al Davis' non-negotiable mindset is to draft a dozen speedsters per decade and waste a bunch of money on them just to get one Cliff Branch or one Tim Brown. The approach did not work in the 1990s or 2000s since Tim Brown mind you, but by such time Davis was in his 60s and probably highly set in his ways like most at such time. With three Super Bowl wins since the AFL-NFL merge I guess he figured why change?

To their credit the Raiders did make one Super Bowl appearance in 2003 as well.

Also in Davis' partial defence, it appears to have become increasingly incredibly difficult for all NFL teams to draft a looming feature or star receiver in the higher rounds of the NFL draft. We'll see if the last three drafts show changes in this trend by 2013, but I am not holding my breath with more tales of the likes of Holmes, Burress, Mike Williams (DET), Rogers, et cetera than ever.

Consider this list made by my football junkie friend and I of current feature and star receivers who started playing from 2004-2007 and compare it to that from 1990 to 2004. The older of the owners and scouts like Davis still believe in throwing heavy money at 1st round picks based on the older history as every team nowadays is trying desperately to find the next dominant prototype in the mould of Michael Irvin or Terrell Owens at more than 6-0 200. As you can tell by the following list, the odds go WAY down when an undersized receiver is chosen any more too irrespective of all skills.

We defined feature receiver as those who have had at least approximately three seasons of 850+ yards receiving. Excluded because he's likely on his way down anyway is pothead Santonio Holmes who even so has had a feature presence and was the star of the Steelers' comeback drive to win their last Super Bowl not only for the legendary catch. He would rank under Wes Welker for those of you curious: http://www.nfl.com/players/santonioholm ... =HOL657297.

First Season 2004-2007 In Order Of Our Ranking

Larry Fitzgerald 1st 2004 Pittsburgh 6-3 217

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Marques Colston 7th 2006 Hofstra 6-4 225

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Greg Jennings 2nd 2006 Western Michigan 5-11 198

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Brandon Marshall 4th 2006 Central Florida 6-4 230

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Roddy White 2005 1st 2005 UAB 6-0 212

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Calvin Johnson 1st 2007 Georgia Tech 6-5 236

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Wes Welker Undrafted 2004 Texas Tech 5-9 185

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Vincent Jackson 2nd 2005 Northern Colorado 6-5 230

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First Season 1990 - 2004

1st Rounders No Particular Order

Torry Holt
Marvin Harrison
Keyshawn Johnson
Randy Moss
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
Herman Moore
Isaac Bruce

Other Rounds As Indicated And Round Selected In Order Of Ranking

Terrell Owens - 3
Chad Ochocinco/Johnson - 2
Steve Smith (CAR) -3
Donald Driver - 7 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ivDo00.htm
Anquan Boldin - 2 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ldAn00.htm
Jimmy Smith - 2 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... itJi00.htm
Derrick Mason - 4 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... soDe00.htm
Hines Ward - 3 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... soDe00.htm
Keenan McCardell - 12 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... CaKe00.htm
Amani Toomer - 2 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... omAm00.htm
Joe Horn - 5 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... rnJo00.htm
Laveranues Coles - 3 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... leLa00.htm

Other Highly Notable At Other Positions With High Receiving Performance

Tony Gonzalez, TE, 1 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... nzTo00.htm
Antonio Gates, TE, Undrafted http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... teAn00.htm
Shannon Sharpe, TE - 7 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... arSh00.htm

Jury Still Out/Arguable

Santana Moss - 1 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ssSa00.htm

Yes in the offseason and on my way out of PA before I start a new career at long last, of course I have more time not to mention the awful winter we had this year with lots of time to fill. :stuck_out_tongue:

Hamilton should trade Neg List Player Jamarcus Russell to Toronto. Marshall Faulk and Bellichek both said on the NFL network he needs to get into game shape and prove he can be a leader before the NFL will give him a shot at being a starter.

It seems at LSU he was billeted with the QB coach Jimbo Fisher. He was allowed to eat only what the coaches wife prepared for him and was required to work out each day with coach Fisher.

If Barker et al want to take this kind of time with a 24 year old spoiled kid It could truly work out well for both of them. It would generate needed buzz/fan interest around the Argo's and sell tickets and could rejuvenate Russell's career. He has the tools and just needs a kick in the butt to learn to use them.

Dan you and other optimists on Russell sure have some reading from the past two days to consider as well before going down that road including pages two and three of this thread:

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The guy makes Leon Spinks sound articulate...