Province tells ticats to make alternate stadium plans

precisely.
The team could have just played out of IW Stadium until the new stadium was complete.

Could have, should have, etc. all history now. Time moves on.

sure, but we must learn from these errors otherwise we are destined to repeat history.

…and if past history is any indication, we have learned little, if anything.

I’m probably not telling you anything you don’t already know, but I’ve just read yet another comment about how Ottawa shouldn’t have built a stadium at Lansdowne Park because of traffic. You might as well make yourself comfortable, there’s no end to people rehashing the same old crap with this kind of stuff. :thdn:

True enough CRF. I’ve heard from some people in Ottawa, my wife is from there originally, the hockey rink where the Sens play should have been built downtown for better access from all parts of Ottawa and better bus service. Problem is there is no one best location that suits everyone for a stadium or arena.

Us Winnipegers can sympathize (and not be obnoxious like TC23 in the IGF threads previously). We don’t get to vote where the stadiums go and it’s not the best or ideal location. Ours is on the outer edge of the city on a University campus which is what caused all those traffic issues and so forth. We can’t control the weather or work schedule and when things get done. In the end though, it gets done when it’s done and we each will have an updated stadium that we an enjoy which is the main thing to keep in mind.

...What we can control are guys like Garth Butchko who make unreal predictions on completion dates that are unrealistic.. (see firing)..Like what has been said in previous threads, every venue will have it's challenges...All works out in the end though...Hang in there Ham. :wink:

Oh come now papazoola. We could control Butchko about as much as he could control his own flowing made of golden hair, LOL. Seriously, Butchko was a mouthpiece that liked to talk. Hard to filter the unfilterable.

Winnipeg always knew they were not going to be able to deliver IGF on time right from the moment the project was given the green light, imo.
They always intended to deceive fans into signing up for 2012 season tickets under the guise they'd be playing in IGF.
They knew they would need someone who was the 'face' of the project who could be made the scapegoat for the delay. Enter Butchko, who may or may not have known this plan from the start.

Hamilton is using the exact same model, IMO, as the REAL face of their stadium project - Scott Mitchell - moved to the background and has allowed a new team president, Glen Gibson, to become the 'face'. When THF is inevitably opens late, this new president will be the fall guy and Mitchell will not shoulder the blame.

We need a James Bond emoticon :lol:

…the flowing locks only clouded and interfered with his vision… but along side his crystal ball getting all ‘fogged-up’ , his demise was inevitable… :lol:

It’s unrealistic to come out and let the people have false hope when categorically stating a new stadium can be built in such a short time frame.

Looks like the Argos will be looking for an alternate stadium for their exhibition game vs. Hamilton. According to the schedule the game will be held at Vasrsity stadium. This brings back some memories:

Here is an account of the game:

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No that wasn’t the “only” reason why it was built on the old site. We have discussed this on the Hamilton Stadium thread and Bob Young himself explained the reason why:

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The IWS site was the only site that was already approved as a stadium site, it was zoned and with no threat of any locals objecting and potential court cases and hearings that are common with NIMBYs. No need for local approval, no need for OMB hearings, no need to look at new bus routes, parking lots, soil sampling, drainaige issues, environmental studies.
The IWS site was the only site that could meet the timelines put out by the Pam Am games. It wasn’t a funding issue or anything else.

They are not even talking about a delay, they are talking about a “contingency” plan which most big projects would have.

from what i have heard, talks are underway with the city of Milton, to hold up to 4 games there this year

[b]mikem wrte: The IWS site was the only site that was already approved as a stadium site, it was zoned and with no threat of any locals objecting and potential court cases and hearings that are common with NIMBYs. No need for local approval, no need for OMB hearings, no need to look at new bus routes, parking lots, soil sampling, drainaige issues, environmental studies. The IWS site was the only site that could meet the timelines put out by the Pam Am games. It wasn't a funding issue or anything else.[/b]
The City/Council had plenty of notice preceding the final deadline set by Troop/Pan Am and yet still squandered over 3 years just to pick a location alone. (at the 11th hour to boot)

Had council exercised some flexibility in the early stages of the already chosen West Harbor site, revisiting the IW location as a last gasp effort would not have occurred.

Had the stadium been built at a better location this wouldn't have occurred. The City of Hamilton and the Tiger-Cats had an opportunity to build something brilliant that could have had so many benefits, now just getting a BMO Field on steroids facility and continuing on in a crappy location.

Huh? Did you happen to notice the post above mine I was responding to which had said “The reason why it was built on the old site is because there simply was not enough money to build it elsewhere on paper at least.”

I was correcting that by saying the ‘only’ reason we ended up back on the same site is because after wasting 3 years of either the city or Ti-Cats nixing various other sites they did not have time to get any other new site through all the approvals required as they were within days of having the Pan Am funds pulled. And that is exactly the conclusion of any discussion on the stadium thread on the Ti-Cats chat board. It was down to Ivor Wynne location or nothing as no other site could be approved before Pan Am funds were pulled after they had wasted the previous three years.

And speaking of THF - it looks like Mother Nature grounded plans again today to start installing precast concrete sections on the upper level of the west stands. They got one or two pieces in place then we got fierce winds all afternoon making it unsafe to do that kind of work.

Mother Nature certainly hasn't been making this easy on those building the stadium. This has been BY FAR the worst winter we have had in quite a while.

Ottawa's had it's coldest winter in 50 years, and record snow... stadium on time and on budget! :thup: :smiley: