Depends what your previous background is Richard. Guys like Burke,Jones who have 20,30 years of coaching experience of course can come in and be coordinators after one or two years but guys like Carson Walsh who has a couple years or Meyer who was a strenght and conditionning guy just a couple years ago are NOT qualified to be coordinators in the CFL as it is today.
As for Milanovich he was a QB in the NCAA, WFL, CFL and then was an assistant in Calgary, then came to Montreal for a year as a position coach and while he may have been a coordinator he never called the plays but basically ran Trestman’s offense you can’t compare that with Meyers or Walsh IMO. Anyway I doubt we will hire guys like Marshall or Berry as position coach, the economics don’t work but both of these guys are imminently more qualified for coordinator positions than Thorpe,Meyer or Walsh. But what the hell let’s give the position to one of these unproven guys so they can shop their services in the NCAA the following year…
Thorpe had five years as DB coach and ST coordinator for the Als and is coming off a year of being DC in Laval and he's not qualified enough for you? :?
Well I’m a father so I certainly understand putting your family first but explain to me this ? His child is still autistic yet instead of staying in Alberta to take a College coaching job he came back to Montreal to take a position coach in the CIS. As far as I know the health care system has not improved or changed. So the minute he moved back to Montreal that reason lost a lot of validity to me. Like I said I wish him the best. I am not convinced he was the most qualified. Free agency will tell us a lot about what is going on inside that locker room and what the players think of the moves.
I think your mixing my views of the currently open positions with the DC hire, not the case. Having said that he would not be my first choice. I think after three coordinators in three years all with disapointing results we needed someone who is experienced running a CFL defense. Thorpe has one year in the CIS at the position taking over a top notch defense from one of the most respected DC in the CIS. I’m not swayed. The proof will be in the 2013 pudding as they say.
Maybe a college coaching job wasn’t available when he left Edmonton? Maybe there were other factors at work, including working for a person like Maciocia who would give him some flexibility to take care of his son. Maybe his wife’s job situation changed? For you to judge him leaving and returning to Montreal is pretty presumptuous. You don’t know what it’s like to be in his shoes. He spent five years here; it’s not like he had a cup of coffee and then left to feather his own nest.
Like I said I wish him the best. I am not convinced he was the most qualified.
Two different things here. You keep lumping him into the same category as Meyer and Walch, when he has much more experience than either of those two. He may not have been the [i]most[/i] qualified candidate to replace Reinebold, but he is certainly qualified enough to hold the position. You just said that five years as a position coach is the absolute minimum for you, well Thorpe has those five years, [i]plus[/i] a year as CIS DC, [i]plus[/i] five years as ST coordinator.
Free agency will tell us a lot about what is going on inside that locker room and what the players think of the moves.
Undoubtedly. But Chip Cox seems to think it's a good hire. If it's good enough for Chip, it's good enough for me, for now (until the season starts and we have a chance to evaluate Thorpe for real).
Uh, three? I’m only counting two here: Tibesar and Reinebold. Burke’s D had its share of troubles in 2010, but we won the Grey Cup.
Thorpe has one year in the CIS at the position taking over a top notch defense from one of the most respected DC in the CIS. I'm not swayed. The proof will be in the 2013 pudding as they say.
Of course, and I'm not arguing otherwise. But let's not crap all over this hire before we've even had a chance to see what Thorpe can do. You were willing to give Reinebold half a season before judging -- I think we can do the same for Thorpe.
Chip said "We can work with this guy" Hardly a ringing endorsement.
You guys don't see a consistant pattern here of refusing to hire CFL experience to balance things ? Am I the only one who see's that we have become the coaching farm system for the CFL ?
Look at his full remarks:
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If it’s any consolation, Cox said he already has approved the hire, endorsing Thorpe to his fellow defenders.
“He’s a detailed guy,? Cox said. “He told you what he wanted and, if you didn’t get it done, he’d let you know. He wouldn’t holler or scream. You just knew you had to get it done the next time.
“That approach will work, especially in our locker. We don’t need a guy to yell and scream. We don’t need a pep talk. We just need to know what and how he wants it done. We’re going to be able to deal with this guy.?[/i]
Cox isn’t one for hyperbole. He’s not going to say Thorpe is the best DC ever, etc. But I like how he reflected on Thorpe as a DB coach. No blowing smoke up anyone’s behind, just honest approval.
You guys don't see a consistant pattern here of refusing to hire CFL experience to balance things ? Am I the only one who see's that we have become the coaching farm system for the CFL ?
Not saying I'm not concerned, but let's give the new hires (Thorpe and whoever replaces Brady and Sinclair) a chance before we condemn Trestman. You know I'm not shy about criticizing Trestman; it's just that I want to turn the page on 2012 and start with a clean slate in 2013. And TBH, I have a very hard time seeing how Thorpe could fail to be better than Reinebold. Just by ditching the idiotic 3-4 (for which we don't have the personnel) and Reinebold's equally idiotic coverage schemes, we'll be better off. Thorpe was also a good DB coach here -- I expect our secondary's coverage technique to improve.
Scott Milanovich was never an assistant in Calgary. In 2006 he coached in NFL Europe -Rhein Fire- He was QB in Calgary at the end of 2006 season and got injured. Helped the coaching staff while on injury list.
When Chris Jones joined the Als in 2002, he had three years experience in NCAA-Tennessee Tech-
Exactly. Even the best coach was at one time an unknown. Chris Jones was unproven when he became DC in 2003. Milanovich was unproven when he became OC in 2008. Heck, Tim Burke, despite his accomplishments as a position coach, was unproven in the CFL as a coordinator until he became our DC in 2008.
Burke was Calgary’s defensive coordinator for two years before he came to Montreal and before that had 30 years of coaching experience.
When Jones joine the Als the HC was Don Matthews who was defacto DC just like Trestman is to the offense today.
Yes there are times where you can get lucky and all of these guys were well surrounded, you can’t have a whole staff of guys learning on the job and expect to go head to head with guys like Jones. We got oucoached in all 3 phases of the game against Toronto. I want some high octane guys who know what they are doing and manage their units. What’s going on with Special Teams anyway, why is Bishoff being let off the hook here ? Is someone playing favourites ? How can you let go Reinebold and keep Bishoff ? HOW ?
Présentement, le personnel d’entraîneurs est remanié pour toutes les unités. On ne peut les rebâtir toutes en même temps. Présentement, il y a un restructuration dans la défensive. Bientôt, ce sera le tour de l’attaque. Qu’on le veuille ou non, ces deux unités demeurent plus importantes que les unités spéciales. Donc, le remaniement au niveau des unités spéciales viendra après les deux autres.
Ceci a pour effet qu’il se pourrait que ceci ne soit possible pour l’équipe qu’après la prochaine saison, ce qui nous fera subir une année de plus avec Bischoff à ce poste. J’espère que Popp reprendra toute la place dans les décisions de personnel. Je ne crois pas que Reinebold était son premier choix l’an dernier, surtout s’il tentait déjà de mettre Thorpe sous contrat. Popp connaissait Thrope, mais pas Trestman.
Cela dit, c’est une toute nouvelle brigade d’entraîneurs qui va s’amener la saison prochaine. Espérons que le flair de notre DG saura être aussi heureux qu’il l’a été par le passé.
Tim Burke was not defensive coordinator for 2 years in Calgary. Creehan,Casey's dad, was. I don't remember his first name. The older Creehan was fired in mid 2007 and Tim Burke,who was defensive backs coach, became the interim defensive coordinator. In 2008 Chris Jones was named Calgary's Defensive Coordinator and Tim Burke came to Montreal.
Thank you, Richard, I was going to point that out. Burke had never been a DC in the CFL prior to Montreal. Denny Creehan was DC in Calgary; he got turfed midseason and Burke took over as interim until the end of 2007, when Jones jumped ship to Calgary and Burke came here.
Exactly, so what’s the problem? The new OC, whoever he is, won’t have to “go up” against Jones. It will be Trestman doing that.
What's going on with Special Teams anyway, why is Bishoff being let off the hook here ? Is someone playing favourites ? How can you let go Reinebold and keep Bishoff ? HOW ?
I think LeStaf's point is well-taken. In a year when we've already had so much coaching upheaval, do we really want ALL three of our coordinators to be new? I suspect that Andy will relinquish the RB coach role to the new OC or position coach and will thus be free to devote more time to special teams. I don't like it, but we have to have some stability on the coaching front.
I think LeStaf’s point is well-taken. In a year when we’ve already had so much coaching upheaval, do we really want ALL three of our coordinators to be new? I suspect that Andy will relinquish the RB coach role to the new OC or position coach and will thus be free to devote more time to special teams. I don’t like it, but we have to have some stability on the coaching front.
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At this point might as well. How can the guy who coaches the worst ST in team’s history can get a pass is beyond me if everyone is accountable. One of the reasons Don had so much success in this league was his priority was Special Teams. He understood that’s where the attitude and character of a team rested. I’m not suggesting he fire Bishoff but find him something else to do, make him your OC if you want him close that badly but ST is not his thing, they have been getting worse every year since Trestman took over. Its a huge black eye on his resume IMO.
