Ottawa 2014

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There’s a lot of interest in the [ general manager’s ] job in Ottawa.

It’s a general manager’s dream to come in, especially with the expansion draft that we have.

It’s a GM dream to come in — he’s not inheriting anybody’s

bad draft picks, or bad trades, or bad signings or bad free agents.

He gets to build it completely from scratch — the exact kind of team he wants.?


Jeff Hunt is spinning the advantages of an expansion team much too positively,

but I read that the terms of this expansion draft will be much more favourable

than the Ottawa Renegades had when they got slim pickings. [ especially at QB ]

We will lose critical "nuts and bolts" players and more in this expansion draft

so the coaching staff we are about to hire better get maximum results

out of our present and yet to be signed talent [ sign Henry Burris!! ]

to put us in a position to win the Grey Cup in the next two years.

I get that line of reasoning actually.

It'll be interesting who wins a GC earlier - the Cats or the new Ottawa team? :wink:

Ottawa will, with Glenn and Bellefeuille. :wink:

If they don't fold first .. :wink:

Here are the Ottawa Expansion Draft details.

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[b]If everything proceeds as planned, the Ottawa team could take the field for the 2013 season. In that case, the expansion draft would be conducted on or about Thursday, December 13, 2012. It will consist of three rounds: one for imports, and two for non-imports.

Ottawa will be able to select a total of eight imports and 16 non-imports, including two quarterbacks, from existing teams.

In addition, if the team is ready to start play in 2013, Ottawa will pick first in all six rounds of the 2013 CFL Canadian Draft, after picking as many as four underclassmen from the NCAA in the 2012 CFL Canadian Draft.

Here are some additional details on the expansion draft:

The Expansion Draft is divided into two main categories from which players may be selected, Non-Imports and Imports (quarterbacks, kickers, and punters are eligible for selection within the applicable Non-Import or Import category).

Ottawa will have the ability to select not more than two quarterbacks and not more than one kicker or punter (for clarity, Ottawa may not select a kicker and a punter). A Member Club cannot have both a quarterback and a kicker or punter selected from its roster.

ROUND ONE: IMPORT DRAFT

Member Clubs may protect one quarterback, and 10 additional Import players.

Ottawa will select one Import player from each Member Club.

Import quarterbacks, kickers, and punters are eligible for selection (and protection), provided that:

  • Each Member Club may protect a maximum of one quarterback in the Import Draft.

  • All other quarterbacks on a Member Club’s roster at the time of the draft are eligible for selection in this section.

  • Ottawa will only be able to select two quarterbacks in the Expansion Draft.

  • If a quarterback is selected from a Member Club in the Import Draft, such Member Club will be able to protect the names of an additional two Non-Import players in the first round of the Non-Import Draft.

  • If a kicker or punter is selected from a Member Club in the Import Draft, such Member Club will be able to protect one additional Non-Import player in the first round of the Non-Import Draft.

ROUND TWO: NON-IMPORT DRAFT

Each Member Club will protect six Non-Import players.

Non-Import quarterbacks, kickers, and punters are eligible for selection (and protection), provided that:

  • If a Member Club had a quarterback selected from its roster in the Import draft, it will be permitted to protect eight Non-Import players in the first round of the Non-Import Draft (instead of six); and

  • Ottawa will be prevented from also selecting a kicker or punter from that Member Club.

  • If a Member Club had a kicker or punter selected from its roster in the Import Draft:

  • That Member Club will be permitted to protect seven Non-Import players in the Non-Import Draft (instead of six); and

  • Ottawa will be prevented from also selecting a quarterback from that Member Club.

Any kicker or punter selected in the Non-Import Draft must be selected in the first round. If a Member Club had a kicker or punter selected from its roster in the Non-Import Draft, such Member Club would be eligible to protect eight Non-Import players in the second round of the Non-Import Draft, instead of six.

Ottawa will then select one non-import player from each Member Club.

ROUND THREE: NON-IMPORT DRAFT

Member Clubs will then submit a second list of an additional six Non-Import players for protection

If a Member Club lost a Non-Import kicker or punter in the first round of the Non-Import Draft, such Member Club would submit two additional Non-Import player names for protection.

Ottawa will then select one non-import player from each Member Club.

The Commissioner will resolve any dispute related to player eligibility for the Expansion Draft process.

CFL CANADIAN DRAFT (Non-Imports)

Ottawa will select in rounds one, two, three and four of the CFL Canadian Draft in the calendar year preceding the year it begins play, possibly 2012. It will select at the ninth position in each of the first four rounds and may only select Redshirt Juniors from the NCAA. Ottawa will be able to select a maximum of four underclassmen (NCAA) in that CFL Canadian Draft.

Ottawa will have the first pick in every round of the CFL Canadian Draft in the calendar year in which it begins play, possibly 2013. That provides Ottawa with the:

  • First overall selection

  • 10th overall selection

  • 19th overall selection

  • 28th overall selection

  • 37th overall selection

  • 45th overall selection

  • Plus two additional picks at 55 and 56[/b]

They will NOT be called the Rough Riders or Riders.

[url=http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/25/no-rough-riders-for-ottawa]http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/25/no ... for-ottawa[/url]

[b]The Green Riders apparently have a short memory.

We were here first. The Ottawa Rough Riders hit the field in 1898. The Regina Rugby Club didn’t become the Roughriders until 1924.

The teams basically played in separate leagues until 1958. But, with tenure obviously meaning nothing, the western Roughriders kept their name.

“I feel it’s slightly arrogant,? said Hunt. “I even said to them: ‘You can’t stop me from calling us the Riders.’ They actually feel of their team as Rider Pride and Riderville. And they were actually more distraught at the idea we might call it Riders. I still haven’t ruled out Red Riders or Black Riders. I don’t know how far they can take it, can we not pick any name that starts with R??[/b]

This could get nasty. :x

With the ownership group in Ottawa it is more likely that Toronto or Hamilton could fold before Ottawa :smiley:

You can surf the Ottawa Renegade site if you want to see the discussion on this topic. So no need to start commenting on the Ticat site and re-hash the same arguments here.

But for what it's worth - they are different names one word Rougriders and the other team Rough Riders. If the NFL can have two cities with the same name why can't we? :smiley:

Grover said Here are the Ottawa Expansion Draft details. [url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/blogs/bomber_insiders/Ottawa-expansion-draft-details-114174894.html]http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports ... 74894.html[/url]

[b]If everything proceeds as planned, the Ottawa team could take the field for the 2013 season. In that case, the expansion draft would be conducted on or about Thursday, December 13, 2012. It will consist of three rounds: one for imports, and two for non-imports.

Ottawa will be able to select a total of eight imports and 16 non-imports, including two quarterbacks, from existing teams.

In addition, if the team is ready to start play in 2013, Ottawa will pick first in all six rounds of the 2013 CFL Canadian Draft, after picking as many as four underclassmen from the NCAA in the 2012 CFL Canadian Draft.


This is from the Horses' Mouth - the stadium won't be ready until 2014 so there will be no team on the field in 2013 [url=http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/25/ottawas-cfl-team-on-track-for-2014]http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/25/ott ... k-for-2014[/url]

Thanks Grover but it is too much to grasp all at once.

For now, regarding quarterback...

If we get Henry Burris and keep him propped up until the draft

we could make him the eligible QB for the expansion draft.

In effect we would be protecting our "as good or better" 2nd string QB

because Ottawa wouldn't want a QB with that little "shell life" left. Nyuk Nyuk :smiley:

This is something that bothered me when the Renegades started up. Every team had to give up players that they either scouted, drafted or developed to them. In other words, the rest of the league did the heavy lifting and Ottawa just came along and benefitted from it, weakening other teams in the league, so Ottawa could get a running start. Sorry, but as a Hamilton fan, I didn't like it, AT ALL.

This new franchise, so to speak, has a two to three year lead before they take the field, so get the scouting and coaching in place and do their own homework. Spend the money like the existing teams have been for years.

I understand that other leagues do much the same thing. I just don't think it's right or fair to the fans in the other cities who have weathered a lot of the good and bad years to have the promise lessened with a late arrival suddenly who wants the best seat in the house.

I may be all alone on this. I just never thought it was right.

But that's not true - you are alone on this one and your facts are totally wrong. The Renegades got screwed during the last expansion draft!!! not only did the other teams get to protect all the best players but the Renegades also had to pay a hefty expansion fee.
I'm not sure what you mean by "spend money like the existing teams" ???
All teams develop players yes, but the players are free to move around. The new draft rules are about making things much fairer this time around. Why have a new team languishing in last place for years, it's not good for attendance for the new team, it's not good for attendance when they are on the road and not good for TV ratings and not good for the league.
The one thing they can do to get more players on the field will be to reduce the non-import rules.

Here we go again....

MikeM:

"The Renegades got screwed during the last expansion draft!!! not only did the other teams get to protect all the best players but the Renegades also had to pay a hefty expansion fee.

Hamilton lost 2 of their best OL lineman to Ottawa, so yes they did lose something. Besides, those teams should be allowed to protect their best players. They found them, they struggled with them, they developed them. Let Ottawa do the same.

"I'm not sure what you mean by "spend money like the existing teams" ??? "

Spend some money finding and developing their own, instead using the other teams to find and groom talent on their behalf.

"All teams develop players yes, but the players are free to move around. The new draft rules are about making things much fairer this time around. Why have a new team languishing in last place for years, it's not good for attendance for the new team, it's not good for attendance when they are on the road and not good for TV ratings and not good for the league."

It should that team's responsiblity to get out of the hole and not the rest of the league. They have a couple of years before they will field their team, so get out there like every other team in the league and find your own players. So what about an already existing last place team that happens to have their opportunity at the draft when Ottawa comes up. They get screwed, so this new team can stock up. I don't think that's not fair either.

i agree with mikem on this one.
why even add an extra team if you are going to cripple them right from the start?
all teams are losing players, so its fair across the board.

im not saying hand them a championship team, but atleast give them the potential to compete for a playoff spot ( 8 wins).

i'd even be for allowing ottawa to field a couple more americans for a season or two until ottawa gets a couple canadian drafts under their belt.

year one, they get to start 2 more americans. year 2, they start 1 more american. year 3, they abide by the ratio rules of the other 8 teams.

I'm not suggesting to cripple them, but if they hire good competant people to run this new team, they should be able to find the same talent that any team can locate. Mike is suggesting that this new franchise be able to pick from the best of the other teams, which is hardly fair to those teams and fans.

To give over to a new team sufficient advantages for them to be able to compete for the cup within a couple of years is ridiculous, perhaps give them some building blocks. But, make them work as hard as the other teams to get to that point, without providing them an unfair advantage from the start.

It's really going to be interesting how the new Ottawa team competes not in the first year but in the first 3 years. I'll tell you, pressure is on all teams in the east to be good, I mean who wants to be beat by a startup team. :o

Most pressure is on the Argos I would say.

It's interesting how Hunt talks about hiring staff next year to include a US scout and likely a GM.
Both are keys.

Unless I'm reading his post wrong, I don't think mikem said that at all, although I guess it depends what on your definition of "the best" is. With the expansion draft, teams can protect, at minimum, six non-imports and more if a quarterback or kicker are selected in the Import Draft section. Since teams start, at minimum, seven non-imports, Ottawa would likely take one starter from each team (probably the worst or oldest non-import starter on each team). Thus, it would hamper them as much as if that player left via free agency, as mikem alluded to.

In reality, each team loses three players out of a roster of over 46 and Ottawa gains 18 and has to fill in the rest. I would say that it's easy enough for existing teams to have to deal with and more of a tall order for Ottawa to fill out a roster of CFL-experienced players.

In case anyone is curious, Ottawa selected LB Matt Robichaud, OT Seth Dittman, and C Carl Coulter from the Ti-cats in the 2002 expansion draft.

Also note that teams will have the ability to protect players in later rounds of the expansion draft in order to prevent losing too many at a single position.