I really didn’t like Cortez. That felt like a wasted season.
Did the Little General have the same titles as O?
I’m deeply unhappy with the team this season, but O is the winningest coach in 25 years.
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So he’s 2 & 4 this season, 33 & 23 overall. If you take out the first season (not sure what it would look like for the other coaches) he’s 18 & 20.
He was HC and GM, probably Prez of Football Ops, the entire Scouting department, and assistant equipment technician during the Bankruptcy Era…
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3rd…behind Austin and Lancaster.
Winning % is a tough metric to use, because most fired coaches struggle at the end.
By the same measurement Dane Evans is the winningest QB since… I can’t even think of a Ticat QB with a winning record.
There has been a drastic regression since 2019.
The “1A/1B QB” fiasco in 2021 was a complete farce. The poor O-line play that year got ALL the QBs injured, although Masoli had a “non-contact” ACL tear, IIRC he had to scramble because of a breakdown. The icing on the cake was his lack of instruction to Timmeh TO NOT TAKE A FRICKIN’ KNEE on the kickoff.
In 2022 he seemingly ignored the O-line again, and it AGAIN caused QB injuries. It wasn’t until the final third of the season before it was corrected, and the team actually won some games and fell bass-ackwards into the playoffs.
This year is simply disgusting.
Sad commentary on things, isn’t it??
Wait a minute!!!
What coincides with 20 of these 25 years???
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5 year plan v4.0 that’s what
Version 5 currently in beta testing.
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This. 100%
The offence has been sputtering for years (no matter who the QB is) and the defence chokes when it needs to make a stop. Over and over.
I’m fairly confident that this thread doesn’t even exist if we had improved our OC and DC positions during this past off-season.
Orlondo needs to pull the plug on Condell and Washington but likely won’t because they are all great friends. At that point Scott Mitchell needs to step in with the ultimatum. Otherwise we will likely be 8-10 again with an ESF exit.
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Ralph Sazio 1963-1967 84 60 24
All time Hamilton greatest coach.
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Let’s not put too much importance on coaching, this team does not have Championship talent. There’s countless examples of average coaches that get way too much credit for leading stacked teams to championships.
This thread would not exist if Stein was never given the President title.
This team is in this position because someone with zero executive experience was given complete, unchecked control of the football organization.
In answer to the original question of the thread, I think Stein is a good in-game head coach. He doesn’t make the obvious strategical mistakes that a guy like June Jones made, and watching other teams last night Craig Dickenson botched clock management and it really hurt his team. Stein is pretty technically sound when it comes to game management (time outs, clock, etc.) He’s become very conservative, but still doesn’t make the number of mistakes other coaches do.
The results speak for themselves. He has 2 winning seasons without football ops control and is on track for his second losing season with football control. For example, completely botching the QB situation is the fault of the football ops side, not the head coaching side.
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I cant see any changes to coaching at this point of the season. They gambled on buying a Grey Cup team, the biggest horse went lame, and the other ones are just trotting with this playbook. They lost the bet.
Now the organization will mainly focus on marketing the heck out of the Grey Cup festival (details coming August 15 according to The Caretaker!). Attendance will continue to be good for the rest of the home games. The team will make lots of $$ from the GC festival, and spend the winter counting it all.
Then they will think about 2024.
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That’s a well painted word picture, ETMRaw.
Back to coaching:
Try answering this, without looking it up.
Prior to Steinauer, as it stands today, who was the last person to have a career winning record as a Tiger-Cats HC?
I tried, and failed on the answer.
In checking my guess, I noted something that, certainly, supports the thinking that it’s really the players who are responsible for a HC’s record.
Otherwise, how can it be explained that none of the first six Tiger-Cat HCs, collectively covering 26 seasons, finished their time, in that position, with a losing record?
(I see I managed to get a big, bold look, addressing ETMRaw, which wasn’t intended and I don’t know how to change it.)
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wasn’t June Jones a 500 coach ? not a winning record, but possibly the best record under this ownership era (rudderless ship is more accurate)
Frank Kush
In answer to your question without looking it up the answer would be Al Bruno . The caveat of course is that he barely had a winning pct . In his almost 8 seasons here as HC , he finished up with one more win than losses at 56 W / 55 L / 3 T for a win pct of .505 .
To Bruno’s credit though he did get us into 4 Cup finals in his tenure and did actually win one and honestly should’ve won us a second one as well.
The second to last HC prior to Steinhauer who had a career winning record was Frank Kush . The caveat there though is that Kush only coached for one season here before moving on elsewhere .
According to wiki the Bruno is exactly .500
Crash came up with the answer – Frank Kush.
I’d not thought of him, probably because he was only here that one great season, and terrible playoff game.
Crash is also right, from what I can find, on Bruno’s TiCat career (regular season) record being .500 He did have a split career in the position, and there may be lists put together differently. i.e. including post season games.
Anyone have thoughts on not one of the first 6 TiCat head coaches having a losing record, while only one of the other 20, on the list between them and Steinauer, had a winning record?
Not sure what wiki you were looking at but I just checked wiki myself to check if I was right and indeed it does match-up to what I posted .
56 W / 55 L / 3 T / .505 PCT . The caveat here though being that wiki can be totally unreliable and inaccurate at the best of times .
Some thoughts…
Teams were better back then so coaches compiled wins early (like Stein has)
Steinauer would be no different than the rest if he didn’t have the unicorn season
Most coaches end up with a losing record because it goes bad in the end, the exception would be coaches that have long periods of success (OShea, Dickenson), or leave on their own terms (Huff).
The most obvious answer is, we haven’t been consistently good for about 50 years
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