Off-Season Moves So Far

[zenstate]

@"HalfTheDistance"

I thinks it’s really funny, that so many on here think they know so much, they can GRADE a professional at HIS job…lol

Very funny and true point my friend.

[HalfTheDistance]

@"zenstate"

@"HalfTheDistance"

I thinks it’s really funny, that so many on here think they know so much, they can GRADE a professional at HIS job…lol

Very funny and true point my friend.

You get an A+ for that answer zen…lol

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[ADAWG]

My view on the Thompson trade is this if OBIE saw him on the decline I feel he traded him while he still had a high market value and thats the case as well with P-ROD. I rate that trade as an A

As well I grade the Setta release as an A he was unproductive import who cost a lot. In turn we get better and a NI at that. Overall its been a good offseason in terms of releases and FA's now to wait and see camp and the rookies he has brought in before we determine this season as a success.

[blackandgld]

@"jordan02"

@"disciplineandpunish"

@"jordan02"

uhhh Mann is an elite go to reciever.

By what standard? He’s never broken 1000 yards in a season, his max number of TDs in one season is 6, and he’s only been in the CFL for three years.

Mann may well have the potential to be an elite go-to receiver, but his body of work doesn’t prove it yet. And as we all know, you can’t write cheques off potential.

Alright maybe he isn’t yet, but you saw what he could do when given the opportunity to start, he was leading the league in recieving yards last season until he got hurt. And i’d think you would agree 73 catches for 971 yards and 6 touchdowns in 15 games is a hell of a season. In my mind he definitely will establish himself as an elite go to reciever this season if given the opportunity to play 15+ games. Besides, some people on here(and riders fans ) seem to think Prechae Rodriguez is a bonified all-star.

PR leading the league in receiving yards last year???
326 yards and 2 TDs through the first 7 games would not have led the league last year.
Arland Bruce had 295 and 3 TDs in his first 3 games with the Cats.

[barneyfife1]

Obie gets an "A" for signing DeAngelis alone. He'll account for 2-3 wins by himself every year. The rest of the moves amount to just shuffling cards in a deck.

An Argo-Cat fan

[Mike]

Alright maybe he isn't yet, but you saw what he could do when given the opportunity to start, he was leading the league in recieving yards last season until he got hurt. And i'd think you would agree 73 catches for 971 yards and 6 touchdowns in 15 games is a hell of a season. In my mind he definitely will establish himself as an elite go to reciever this season if given the opportunity to play 15+ games. Besides, some people on here(and riders fans :D ) seem to think Prechae Rodriguez is a bonified all-star.

[b]PR leading the league in receiving yards last year???? 326 yards and 2 TDs through the first 7 games would not have led the league last year. Arland Bruce had 295 and 3 TDs in his first 3 games with the Cats.[/b]

They were definitely talking about Mann

[Glovesave]

@"black and gold"

On Ticats TV Obie said that they were concerned that Thompson’s play tailed off last year.
I tend to think that Obie had the plan in place.
He heard that Poole and Shivers wanted to stay together and in Southern Ontario because of their business.
The Argos are a disaster, so that leaves the Cats.
That would give us too many DBs. Why not trade Thompson for Mann and upgrade with P and S.
Now that he had Mann, Bruce and McDanie, Prechae and his BIG contract is out of slot.
Trade Prechae for the KR this team has needed since Thrill Hill was sent packing and save some bucks along the way.
Obie must have a big smile on his face every morning when he wakes up!
Sweet off season moves. Lets see what Obie has planned for acquiring a punter, we know he has a plan!!!

B&G knows his football folks and his is the best take on these trades and moves i’ve seen so far.

@"halfthedistance"

thinks it’s really funny, that so many on here think they know so much, they can GRADE a professional at HIS job

I agree with you there as well. Armchair GM’s of the world unite you have nothing to lose.

[stevehvh]

@"Ockham"

If we win the Grey Cup this year: A+
If we win the Grey Cup next year: A
If we don’t win the Grey Cup within the next three years: C
If we don’t make any progess at all: F

“If” being the key word. Time will tell. Until then, In Obie I Trust.

Exactly!!

[Weedman]

@"HalfTheDistance"

I thinks it’s really funny, that so many on here think they know so much, they can GRADE a professional at HIS job…lol

That’s really funny but thats what most people do on this site. :lol: fart

[gerbear9]

In respionse to the comment that "some people think they know so much that they can grade a professional "

This is all in fun and just a a way ti initiate conversation on the moves by OBIE .

I know that OBIE will have forgotten much more than all of us will ever know about CFL football but it is fun to talk amongst ourselves about what we think aboiut each move not to evaluate OBIES's job but more to see what everyone collectively thinks as many times people point out things I was unaware of such as personal issues, injuries , contract problems --$$ , conflicts with other players, coaches , playbook issues , new players beating out vets etc that come into play in trades

[AKT]

this

[disciplineandpunish]

@"Ockham"

If we win the Grey Cup this year: A+
If we win the Grey Cup next year: A
If we don’t win the Grey Cup within the next three years: C
If we don’t make any progess at all: F

“If” being the key word. Time will tell. Until then, In Obie I Trust.

It’s hilarious that a fan of a team that hasn’t even made it to the Grey Cup game in a decade doesn’t have any defined middle ground short of “winning the Grey Cup.”

What if Obie takes you guys to, say, the division final this year, and the Grey Cup game in 2011 and 2012? Is that considered ‘no progress’?

[Doctor_Rock]

@"disciplineandpunish"

@"Ockham"

If we win the Grey Cup this year: A+
If we win the Grey Cup next year: A
If we don’t win the Grey Cup within the next three years: C
If we don’t make any progess at all: F

“If” being the key word. Time will tell. Until then, In Obie I Trust.

It’s hilarious that a fan of a team that hasn’t even made it to the Grey Cup game in a decade doesn’t have any defined middle ground short of “winning the Grey Cup.”

What if Obie takes you guys to, say, the division final this year, and the Grey Cup game in 2011 and 2012? Is that considered ‘no progress’?

“Defined middle ground” is for LOSERS!!!

Who wants to think like that.

[disciplineandpunish]

@"Doctor_Rock"

@"disciplineandpunish"

It’s hilarious that a fan of a team that hasn’t even made it to the Grey Cup game in a decade doesn’t have any defined middle ground short of “winning the Grey Cup.”

What if Obie takes you guys to, say, the division final this year, and the Grey Cup game in 2011 and 2012? Is that considered ‘no progress’?

“Defined middle ground” is for LOSERS!!!

Who wants to think like that.

There’s a very simple response to this, but it would likely violate board rules, so I don’t think I’ll make it.

Instead, I’ll just say that there’s nothing wrong with setting achievable short-term and long-term goals on the way to the ultimate prize (winning the Grey Cup). Instead of defining success as an all-or-nothing proposition, how about trying to field a top-ranked team every season? If your only measuring stick is winning the Grey Cup, only two years removed from a 3-15 record, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

[Doctor_Rock]

@"disciplineandpunish"

@"Doctor_Rock"

@"disciplineandpunish"

It’s hilarious that a fan of a team that hasn’t even made it to the Grey Cup game in a decade doesn’t have any defined middle ground short of “winning the Grey Cup.”

What if Obie takes you guys to, say, the division final this year, and the Grey Cup game in 2011 and 2012? Is that considered ‘no progress’?

“Defined middle ground” is for LOSERS!!!

Who wants to think like that.

There’s a very simple response to this, but it would likely violate board rules, so I don’t think I’ll make it.

Instead, I’ll just say that there’s nothing wrong with setting achievable short-term and long-term goals on the way to the ultimate prize (winning the Grey Cup). Instead of defining success as an all-or-nothing proposition, how about trying to field a top-ranked team every season? If your only measuring stick is winning the Grey Cup, only two years removed from a 3-15 record, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

Anything less than a grey cup win is FAILURE!! in my honest opinion, losing the eastern final at home in Ivor Wynne is as good as not making it to the playoffs, not businesswise or media opinion wise but from a pure game of football standpoint. I hope to god every player thinks like me and is thoroughly mad at how last year ended and is not just happy that we improved from the year before.

Each year is new all past years should be forgotten, there meaningless to this years outcome. There’s only 9 teams, the odds are there. you dont have to build your team over the course of a near decade to win a grey cup. I honestly expect a grey cup win each and every year.

[AKT]

Thats the exact attitude that prevents teams from winning when its put into practice. From a GM perspective one must build for today AND plan for the future. If winning today is the only priority teams tend to make deals for players that only give one year of service for those that give many years of service and championships to their new teams. From a player and coaches point of view I agree that anything less than a championship should not be considered a success. From a fans point of view I'll take a couple seasons of close with the expectation that we will stay on course providing entertaining football that will result in a championship in time without having to endure a rebuilding process every 2 or 3 seasons.

[Doctor_Rock]

@"AKT"

Thats the exact attitude that prevents teams from winning when its put into practice. From a GM perspective one must build for today AND plan for the future. If winning today is the only priority teams tend to make deals for players that only give one year of service for those that give many years of service and championships to their new teams. From a player and coaches point of view I agree that anything less than a championship should not be considered a success. From a fans point of view I’ll take a couple seasons of close with the expectation that we will stay on course providing entertaining football that will result in a championship in time without having to endure a rebuilding process every 2 or 3 seasons.

Why should the fans expectations be so much less than the management and teams? WE pay to see them!

I dont pay to watch the future. I dont give a crap what the ticats are like in 2011 until 2011, all I know is they have no reason not contending for the grey cup in 2010 and I won’t expect less.We pay/watch to see them win never to see them lose and if you watch/pay to go to all games I’d figure you must expect we’d win them all at least for a small amount of time, and if not well…that’s too bad.

[AKT]

And I'm glad you are not in charge as a result of your short sighted attitude. We as fans should expect the team to be competitive year in and year out. your way of thinking won't achieve that. A balance approach will win just as many Cups as the never ending rebuilding you would advocate. Lose in the playoffs and blow it up just won't guarantee you a winner very often but guarantees you will field some really bad teams over a period of time. A good GM needs to keep a clear head and not panic. Its helpful if the fan base does the same. Of course that does not mean that losing is acceptable, only that you understand and accept that the team can't win every year. The Als are doing it right. They've been good for years and have won a couple of times. That may mean they are losers to you because they came up short so many times but I don't agree

[Doctor_Rock]

@"AKT"

And I’m glad you are not in charge as a result of your short sighted attitude. We as fans should expect the team to be competitive year in and year out. your way of thinking won’t achieve that. A balance approach will win just as many Cups as the never ending rebuilding you would advocate. Lose in the playoffs and blow it up just won’t guarantee you a winner very often but guarantees you will field some really bad teams over a period of time. A good GM needs to keep a clear head and not panic. Its helpful if the fan base does the same. Of course that does not mean that losing is acceptable, only that you understand and accept that the team can’t win every year. The Als are doing it right. They’ve been good for years and have won a couple of times. That may mean they are losers to you because they came up short so many times but I don’t agree

Well if you don’t win what are you?

I’m not advocating rebuilding every year (that’s a horrible idea and doesn’t do well for winning) I’m advocating the right fans have to expect a grey cup win each year.

I understand the team cant win every year but I see no reason to not expect it, I can live with the disappointment of losing(I’ve been a ticat fan my whole life) it’s football there’s worse things that could happen. I just don’t see the fun in thinking like a general manager or owner always planning stuff for the future, they can do it and I know they need to but I don’t.

[AKT]

I want to win, I just don’t see winning the Grey Cup every year as even remotely possible. If you are saying that anything less than a grey Cup is a failure you are setting yourself up for an awful lot of failure. Would I like to win every year, damned straight. Will I try to win every year yes again but with the proviso that it doesn’t guarantee complete ineptitude the following 2 or 3 years. With your attitude we’ll see plenty of ineptitude. Thats unacceptable