NHL 'outdoor game' tix not selling - i told you

NHL Outdoor game in Toronto are having troubles selling tickets. I told you before the reason and its not the sports fans in the city like CFL fans. The few haters of all sports come out to create a disliking attitude that is taken serious by the media.

Where are the NHL haters in the media now?

The truth is the people in Toronto or outside communities refuse to go to games now a days. And the economical truth in GTA is in dire trouble very much like other cities in the world.

Companies can not afford what the major sport events are offering and GTA is coming down to reality unlike the people who live in the city that they are not as big as they think.

How about the fact that maybe people just don't want to sit outside in minus 20 to watch a hockey game?
I have no idea why anyone would want to sit in a football stadium in winter when you are far away from the ice and zero chance of seeing the puck. It was fun when we were kids to play on a frozen pond but to pay to watch a game? forget it.
I wouldn't want to sit outside in January in Canada to watch any sport.
Why don't they play it in the Rogers Centre and close the roof? better chance of selling tickets............... :smiley:

doesn't seem to bother the other venues where it was sold out year in and year out. That is the excuse for people in Toronto. Probably the biggest hockey game in Toronto all year.

I am not shocked. There is an assumption that there is an bottomless pit of money/interest in T.O. The assumption is wrong.

I guess big event fatigue in this market is a real thing. The World Juniors are not selling well outside of today's Canada-USA game either. Yet the Grey Cup seems to be the only event that got singled out yet they had the same issues as this event and the Jrs.

Ticket prices are way too high in all of these but at least the Leafs have the home team participating. Even they're not immune to gouging...just a higher threshold.

Well said. :thup:

....Greed at the gate will be a number of leagues undoing, and once television revenue hits the skids the professional world of sports is going to be set on it's ear ... The cracks are appearing now...just wait... Does this sound like doomsday stuff?...or is it inevitable reality :wink:

Doomsday will only happen once the U.S broadcasting companies start to make adjustments with NCAA. Yes..... the ncaa dictates how US network deals are reached and how much $$ gets distributed from the parent company. ESPN (DISNEY) has seen the writing on the wall and in the next year (2017) you will see drastic changes starting with ESPN/ABC and the others will soon follow.

Sports will be back on major networks and on networks like CBC/CTV but only after the affect is drawn to a stall in the U.S - NFL tv ratings are down but that is not a big deal. Its how the viewers are watching games compared to buying tickets. Its how the league wants to conduct its CBA on the basis of shared revenue from TV to gate.

Its going to take a major sport after the NCAA makes its changes soon to create an after shock that will be hit hard to leagues like the CFL and NHL in Canada.

MLS and NBA have become charity associations much like a ponzi scheme. You can not survive on such low interest like MLS in Canada or Soccer in general to compete with other leagues. Soccer in NA is basically on life support and the only thing that keeps it alive are fictional character story writing that soccer is popular and the marketing of something to do on a Friday night for a cheap night out. Basketball has always been popular in N.A but not the NBA. the NBA is almost non-existent in major cities in N.A but the same thing soccer does to in a community ESPN is doing with Basketball. Pick up a magazine or watch any ESPN network programming. And they can talk 20 minutes and write 5 pages of what Kevin Durant sitting for 5 minutes did for the offense to go on a 12-4 run. And ESPN knows this is a bad trend so they are forcing viewers this crap until the new director takes over and begins to distribute its content properly. Its why ESPN #'s are down. And its why the NCAA presidents are furious at ESPN not having the big playoff games on ABC and on New Years Eve.

The business model is broken and luckily for the fans. Change is coming. Whats sad is that the people in charge over the last 10 years were morons with a degree that think they knew all the answers.

I am 100% in agreement with this statement.

minus 20???? temperature is supposed to be plus 1 tomorrow and Sunny!!!! It's the Leafs for godsakes, why isn't it sold-out??? :lol: Yep, lots of negative news on the CFL and the Grey Cup from the wannabe media, but strangely not a peep about the Leafs and the NHL not selling-out outdoor game!!!! What a bunch of hypocrites!!!

......very in depth analysis access....I just have to watch attendance levels and other revenue sources ratio, in conjunction with salaries, that teams are paying out to see failure....These contracts for what seems unlimited millions to players is ridiculous, and incomprehensible to the average layman ..What's next...billion dollar contracts??They were unrealistic quite awhile ago and when the chickens finally come home to roost there will be a dramatic fall...The average fan is losing touch with these obscene deals now, and further balking at the gate is inevitable.. Losses in television revenue will be the spelling of the end and those who are currently whistling by the graveyard at present, are going to be rudely awakened... Just the way I see it...Anyway...Happy New Year.. :slight_smile:


Only the kool aid type here in the City of Toronto, but wait a minute they cannot be seen in the winter clothing?

The outdoor game in Toronto shouldn't happen again for another 100+ years. The world Juniors should not be played in Toronto as it was too soon from the last time. Plus both events are minor league and Toronto only wants to see the best.

Remember all this B.S. at GC time, from godfrey's the star, national post, rogers, etc. etc.? When you see these unemployed reporters under the Gardiner Expressway trying to wash your windshield, please be generous.

After what happens down south we will have to wait until the new ways of broadcasting sporting events and how leagues jump into revenue. Its already been analyzed that taking games off network tv does a psychological affect to sports fans. Not having games on CBC and having too many HNIC games on Saturday affects the sports mind and it doesn't really feel like HNIC.

Same thing about football down south. NFL games on Thursday and taking games off ABC for MNF hurts the fandom in football fans.

All this is part in why there will be a future adjustment with leagues and broadcasting.

The last 10 years has been a terrible mistake by these so called media experts.

Whats funny is that NBC and the NFL have invested millions and millions into a new football theme song trying to make it popular and cool. They try to invent a new Football night so the NFL can feel nostalgic and powerful. Give something special to the game like its own night.


They had this in Monday Night Football.... lol

Some of the appeal of attending CFL games is it gives people a good excuse to get out of the house on a summer's evening and enjoy the nice weather with your friends. Many fans don't necessarily follow the league as closely as Americans follow the NFL, for instance. So the CFL should realize what niche they're filling and not try to copy the price gouging which is so rampant in most professional leagues today. The salaries many pro leagues pay their journeymen players is becoming obscene.

The Argos went a bit retro with the $4 beers at their popular pregame tailgate and Shipyard parties. Unfortunately the Argos might have came in a bit high in ticket prices and in-game concessions? The CFL should perhaps become more family-friendly and structure ticket prices more in-line with the salaries they pay their players...which are nowhere near NFL or NHL levels.

A little worrisome is the ballooning cost of running a CFL franchise, which averages around $22M a year (even with the Riders largess taken out of the equation). That's a long way from the traditional "20/20" CFL model...20,000 fans @ $20 net with $5M operating budgets.

I think Toronto fans are sending a message which could become trend...that they won't pay any price to watch your event and stop the price gouging.

One of the first fan backlashes was the Bills in Toronto series, which was widely projected to have tremendous appeal "with ticket lineups all the way to MLG" and Ted Rogers' infamous two-finger response to the number of Bills tickets under $100. The organizers thought ticket demand would be so high they'd need a lottery to award the Bills tickets, which averaged $500. But Rogers soon got a rude awakening and was forced to give 35% refunds to the thousands of fans who'd prepaid for tickets...lowering ticket prices each year of the 5-year series. The damage had already been done, with the final NFL game in Toronto having the lowest attendance of the Bills series and lowest in the NFL that season...poisoning the well for the NFL in Toronto, perhaps forever?

Attendance at TFC games has been pretty spotty recently too. Although the team announces regular "sellouts" the BMO grandstands often look half empty (with a sizeable portion of the sellout reportedly being corporate tickets being given away.)

I've also noticed in previous years the prime sideline seats at Raptor games are often virtually empty? I know they announce sellouts and will have a ready excuse for the no-shows, but I suspect they have a large segment of "corporate" ticket giveaways also. Although the emergence of the Raptors becoming a playoff team may have helped "fill-in" some of those sideline seats.

So Toronto's fan response to the Centennial classic or whatever, should not be that surprising given the trend in Toronto...and it's a message that other leagues should heed carefully.


The business model is dependent on TV money and while sports will always have the advantage of being *** less *** PVR-able, as US cable bundles get broken down and the sports channels lose subscribers either the cost of subscribing goes up or the rights fees go down to compensate for lost revenues.

NCAA and various pro-sports will get what their "eyeball numbers" warrant, none are dependent on the others - IMO.

The networks in the states are heavily involved with collegiate sports and are more important to their bottom line than any pro league. And its not even close.

There is a reason why CBS and FOX are fighting over SEC and NCAA rights. And why the NFL got involved to calm FOX down as they could have went all-in a few yrs ago to grab 2 major NCAA properties which would have destroyed the competition for the NFL.

Its a fact that the Super Bowl is the only important deal involving networks and the NFL as they use the NFL Super Bowl to attract them to their other properties.

What has been done the last 3 yrs is that ESPN got lots of the College Bowl games and MLB. So Fox and CBS have been gathering large advertising #'s from their dramas and sitcoms which then get spots on NFL Sunday games when #'s do not reach the target.

The problem is this year expect a major abundance of dump offs I have heard from Academy Awards and Spring TV season. This will affect business when NFL starts in '17 in a negative way for the NFL as a program like Academy Awards will dictate the #'s for NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL.

The NFL Super Bowl commercial price is misleading nowadays. They could go for $15 million. Means nothing. It doesn’t mean the network is really getting that price for that 1 property.

It happened lots for HNIC and the Blue Jays and Raptors in '16-17.

The Blue Jays and Raptors made a lot less in TV revenue than expected due to how Rogers bundled the properties. And its hard for them to attract Canada companies for sponsorship or partnership due them not having a large profile. The Raptors are extremely small potatoes in Canada. The Blue Jays during the season is meh until playoffs but its too late for them to really benefit in a large enough way to strike it rich.

The NHL and CFL are the only major canadian properties and the Olympics that truly gather enough to attention for both partnering and sponsoring.

Not in any way denying NCAA sports are important to US networks (although the nascent conference and single university "networks" are eating into the network programming) but:

Of the 50 most-watched sporting events in the United States in 2015, a whopping 43 were NFL games, according to data collected by SportsMediaWatch. That number is is even more impressive if you consider that there are only 267 games in an NFL season (including playoffs).

But network television as a industry is struggling,