NFL has 17 minute longer games with 40 less playsper GM CFL

Earl. I've never been so hot in my entire life. We were in the Upper deck of the east stands in the sun. We left half way through the second half dying of the heat like many others of those who did show up. The humidex had to be 40C or higher. Wish they had the awning already.

I'll post some pictures of BMO (which even has a few blue seats Argos fans) in either the TFC off topic thread or an Argos moving to BMO thread here if I find it.

Reading the stats from the Stamps-Bombers game last night, each team officially ran 44 offensive plays from scrimmage. If in fact there are 160 plays a game run (including penalties and special teams) that IMO is not enough offensive plays.

Having said all that, I still thought it was a great game. To me, with the exception of the many penalties called, the league has been lights out this year. Much better than last.

Just remember! The Players commit the penalties not the refs. I appreciate the refs throwing the flags and checking with each other to ensure right call. I have no problem watching a game 15 minutes longer if penalties earned are called.
Thats getting it right! However coaching can be stronger.

NFL penalties average PER TEAM. Two teams per game. Average is 6 x2= 12 penalties per game

Rank Team 2014 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2013
1 Jacksonville 4.6 4.0 4.0 4.4 4.7 6.0
2 New Orleans 5.0 2.7 2.0 4.6 5.4 6.1
3 Miami 5.1 5.7 5.0 5.0 5.1 4.4
4 Carolina 5.3 6.0 5.0 4.7 6.0 5.2
5 Kansas City 5.5 7.3 7.0 5.4 5.6 6.1
6 Arizona 5.8 3.7 7.0 6.2 5.3 6.0
7 Houston 5.9 7.0 6.0 6.1 5.6 7.0
8 Green Bay 5.9 6.7 5.0 5.1 6.8 5.2
9 Atlanta 6.1 5.0 6.0 6.6 5.7 5.7
10 Minnesota 6.2 5.0 4.0 6.6 5.9 4.4
11 NY Giants 6.3 9.7 8.0 5.6 7.0 5.7
12 Cincinnati 6.4 6.0 6.0 7.5 5.3 6.2
13 Dallas 6.4 6.0 5.0 6.2 6.7 6.4
14 Pittsburgh 6.5 4.3 8.0 7.2 5.8 5.0
15 Baltimore 6.7 5.7 7.0 7.0 6.4 7.0
16 Indianapolis 6.7 7.3 3.0 7.2 6.2 4.1
17 NY Jets 6.8 4.7 5.0 6.6 7.0 6.8
18 San Diego 6.9 8.7 10.0 6.5 7.4 6.0
19 Tennessee 6.9 6.7 4.0 5.2 8.6 6.3
20 Chicago 7.1 7.3 8.0 6.0 8.1 5.3
21 Denver 7.2 3.0 2.0 6.6 7.9 6.9
22 Philadelphia 7.2 8.7 5.0 6.0 8.4 5.8
23 Cleveland 7.2 7.3 7.0 7.4 7.1 6.5
24 Oakland 7.2 7.7 9.0 7.0 7.4 7.2
25 San Francisco 7.2 9.0 10.0 8.0 6.5 6.2
26 Tampa Bay 7.4 3.7 4.0 6.2 8.5 7.6
27 New England 7.4 6.0 6.0 7.7 7.0 4.2
28 Detroit 7.4 8.3 8.0 7.5 7.3 6.9
29 Washington 7.5 7.3 9.0 7.2 7.8 6.2
30 St Louis 7.7 7.0 6.0 7.1 8.2 7.7
31 Buffalo 7.8 7.3 5.0 7.9 7.7 6.9
32 Seattle 8.0 5.3 8.0 6.5 9.9 8.0
More Penalties Stats

Two-and-Outs Way Down: Last season, CFL games averaged 12.2 two-and-outs per game in a generally defensive season. To start 2015, CFL games averaged only 9.5 – a drop of 22%.

Week #1 Net Offence: Clubs averaged 697 of net offence last week; that is 7% more than the 2014 average of just 652 yards per game. The key to that was the high rate of 2nd down conversions at 51% compared to just 42% in 2014.

Penalties: In 2013, there were an average of 18.4 penalties per game. Last year that jumped 17% to 21.6 per game and in Week #1 of 2015 rose again to 30.0 penalties per game. The new rule for being “Illegally Downfield on a Kick? was not responsible as not a single call was made in the four games. Offside/Procedure calls were widespread with 35 while the new rules for Illegal Contact on a Receiver accounted for 13 compared to just two in Week #1 of 2014.

I wasn't blaming the refs. For the most part the penalties are offside and procedure. Those are total lack of discipline penalties that the officials have nothing to do with.

I've ranted about this on Argofans but IMO, the league has become way to lax with the waggle. basic rules of football allow for only 7 offensive players on the line at the snap. When the slots hit the line (or in many cases are beyond it), technically, they are ineligible receivers, because they are now covered by the end.

My biggest beef with the refs is that they still appear to have no clue on what a horse collar penalty is. It should only be called if the player committing the horse collar reaches from behind and pulls down the ball carrier. If the defender has already wrapped and then grabs the back pads, it is not a horse collar.

Agreed that most penalties are on the players, especially the black-and-white penalties like offside and procedure.

Years ago, the backfield players couldn't approach within a yard of the line before the snap. But as players started timing their approach as close to perfect, the linesmen weren't able to judge whether they were offside or not as easily. So the rule was changed to allow the backfield players to hit the line at the snap, making it easier for the linemen to get the call right. Which they do about 99 44/100% of the time.

I like your definition of horsecollar tackle, as it's all about player safety. Once the ballcarrier is stopped or held up, bringing him down by a handle isn't likely to injure him. But that's not how the rule is written. It just says any tackle where the player grabs the inside collar of the side or back of the shoulder pads, or jersey.

Nope they include kicking stats

Still nobody mentioning how it makes zero sense to be pissed off about flags

They read it in a newspaper and are focused on it thats it.

Flags were higher in 2004 55,000 packed bc place for a western fjnal

25 flags per game in 2004

Seems you like to ignore this page

70 plays per game for the top team and only one team there

57 plays for lowest team.

Average is 133 plays per game across the nfl

No adding problems there.

I can see they dont include kicking now.

Still doesnt change the fact the NFL players stand around more per game with all their short yardage plays.

And still doesnt change the facf an NFL game is 17 minutes longer.

The fact is that flags really arent higher than any other year since 2000

The average football game is actually longer than the average baseball game. According to The Boston Globe, baseball games average 2 hours, 57 minutes and 33 seconds. This isn't to suggest baseball is inherently more exciting. But one of the contemporary knocks against baseball is its games take too long. It's curious that few complain about NFL game lengths, considering they take 13 minutes longer, more time than the 11 total minutes of actual game play during an NFL game. In other words, you could fit all the action of an average NFL game into the spare time after an average baseball game ends.

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So yes i can do math i just didnt see that the star didnt include kicking but i am right about the average time of a game between CFL MLB and NFL.

Seriously an NFL game is longer than an MLB game??? Thats just insane. And a CFL game is shorter than an MLB game.

Still makes no sense people complaining about flags that are higher than last year sure but not higher than 2004 when the Lions crammed BC place despite the highest flags per game average in the last 15 years or more

why are you comparing MLB and Football?

MLB has no clock rule. MLB is a dead sport. Nobody cares about it even during the World Series.Colin Cowherd said it right. Its to complex not because of smarts there is no importance. MLB died 2 things happened. Yankees lost to Florida Marlins. And the Yankees lost to Arizona.

MLB lost its traditional values and it really has lost importance in the american sporting market. So San Francisco won the WS. It was cool the 1st time cause of generational fans knowing the history behind it. but it doesn't matter anymore.

The only thing it has left is the Cubs trying to win the penant.

Gotta chuckle at stopthrowingflags. He tries to support his nonsensical point with a universally ridiculed racist comment that got Cowherd fired from ESPN and talks about baseball being 'dead'. Hmm - 1990 - MLB had only two teams draw over 3 million fans and only fifteen teams drew over 2 million. Last season five teams drew over 3 million fans and 24 teams drew over 2 million.

Pretty healthy sounding vital signs for a supposedly dead patient.

Have they got some issues - just like the CFL with an aging fan base in some marketplaces - absolutely. But just like some teams in the CFL are succeeding at growing their younger fan base (like here in Hamilton), a number of MLB teams - like the Jays for example - have successfully engaged younger fans with more promotions aimed at them and social media outreach. Exactly the sort of things the CFL needs to continue to do to get younger fans and then to keep them engaged.