New stadium site proposals

..by me. You know that whole area downtown ,bordered by James,King William,John and Cannon, LEVEL IT. That location is close to parking,transit,restaurants,hotels,bars and shopping.If we are going to pay for parking,why should we be a mile away from the stadium? The whole downtown needs to be revitalized. Why don't we have a downtown Casino? Was it because they didn't want to attract the wrong type people downtown,HELLO,have you walked around downtown lately? Would they rather we leave town to spend our money? How about a resort/indoor waterpark? How about a new Hall of Fame at the Stadium site? How about a new hotel overlooking the field? Let's have a vote on that rundown eyesore they call the Lister Block,what a joke.I wish the people at City Hall would wake up.

IIRC that was considered and dropped because land assembly was too complicated

That location is close to parking,transit,restaurants,hotels,bars and shopping.If we are going to pay for parking,why should we be a mile away from the stadium?
Parking for west harbour is much closer than a mile away.
Let's have a vote on that rundown eyesore they call the Lister Block,what a joke.I wish the people at City Hall would wake up.
Its renovation has been well underway for quite some time already. http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/714136

Land assembly? We can do without shoot-em-up alley.There are many vacant properties fronting on King st. and James st.,probably better locations with more pedestrian traffic. The Lister Block was a run down,rat infested,90% vacant dump for the last 50 years.If you or I let our property go like that,the city would step right in,fix it,and send us the bill.Nobody gave a rats ass about the building and let it deteriorate for over 50 years.Ivor Wynne is more of a historical landmark,watch how fast the bulldozers move in on that one.

Where on King st.? not near James. And there aren't many vacant buildings on James, and they're being scooped up by the ats community.

The Lister Block was a run down,rat infested,90% vacant dump for the last 50 years.
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It was in the 90s when the NDP govt was financing a project for the Lister block that had the tenants evicted . It wasn't lomg after that that the Tories were elected and promptly cut JOBS ONTARIO from the provinical budget and left the Lister block and vacant shell.

It was in the 90s when the NDP govt was financing a project for the Lister block that had the tenants evicted . It wasn't lomg after that that the Tories were elected and promptly cut JOBS ONTARIO from the provinical budget and left the Lister block and vacant shell.
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Why is there not a public uproar for the restoration of the Lister Block?

The city is spending millions of dollars, doing all of the work and then selling it to the highest bidder. More than likely, the city will not get the money out of that they put in.

The city wastes money by fixing up all these building and then selling them. They play on the sentimental value on the buildings. The guys who own these buildings, get tax breaks and don't fix them up.

Our city is broke. Dead broke! The council makes too many dumb decisions (like fixing up these buildings downtown and not collecting proper taxes).

From where are you getting your facts?

The city will own it and as such qualified for $7m of provincial money.

Why is it bad to restore such heritage and clean up downtown at the same time?

[url=http://www.bizclip.com/investinhamilton/?streamname=listerblock]http://www.bizclip.com/investinhamilton ... isterblock[/url] http://www.thespec.com/article/504391
The council makes too many dumb decisions (like fixing up these buildings downtown and not collecting proper taxes).
Which buildings are you referring to?

This was my first preferred site actually, given that it boarders the City Center/Jackson Square, and that there are literaly four parking lots currently there with some decrepit buildings. From my understanding, the heritage Fire Department is at the location and I think part of Hamilton Hydro is in the Rebbecca, John, Hughston and King William block.

Yeah, that would be cool if you could keep the buildings on James and King William and use the inner portion of that boundary going east of John and north of Cannon if necessary.

Actually,if you look at the area on Google Maps,there is a lot of room east of Houghson St.,between King William and Wilson.That whole area is probably 70% parking lots.

I'd be a big a fan of this. However, i know it had been discussed before and, I thought there were some solid reasons why this couldn't work. And, I think that parking is required. Don't quote me though.

What about Sir John A MacDonald/York blvd/Cannon/Central Park area? I'm liking that more and more as an alterantive to west harbour.

With all this talk of an LRT radically transforming King and/or Main streets and their access to and from the 403, York blvd and Cannon st. could be redesigned as the new major car access to and from the 403 giving any new stadium in tha area lots of vehicular access and visibilty via traffic AND it's downtown AND can still link it with the waterfront.

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You and I have been in agreement on this for a long time Kirk. Rebuild the school at Rheem

I really like that spot as well.I don't really have a problem with the harbour site,but I would like to see the area cleaned up a little bit and like Bob Young says,there doesn't seem to be a lot of investors stepping up with any plans to do something in that area.

I'm in support of this as well, councillors! AKT, do the honours and forward the motion!

Id keep the Rheem site for a more public space, and rebuild SJAM elsewhere, maybe around Central Park or use the parking lot areas in the area just east of the schools current location.

Thats cool too

What I like about a downtown location are the possibilities of adding to the project.Hotel facing the field,a new Hall of Fame,a modern one with interactive games for the kids,the Tiger-cat Roar Store could be right there,and you wouldn't be using up any park space that we want to hold on to,we'd be improving an older area.

And you wouldn’t have to drive there. MORE BEER! 8)

You'll never see an LRT - there is no demand for one in Hamilton and far too expensive. You can buy and run a lot of express busses for that money.
In Ottawa they are seriously re-thinking the idea of an LRT, it was the provincial Liberals that were pushing LRTs and promising cash but they are too expensive to run. It's around a Billion dollars for a 3km track that runs in a straight line and you still have to catch a bus to get to it!!!
So if anyone thinks that an LRT will radically transform the downtown - forget it.
It will radically transform us taxpayers!!!
Just build express bus lanes and buy more buses, its cheaper and you can get a lot more people downtown faster.

Alot of what I've read is mostly opposite of what you've written.

There is demand for LRT.

It moves more people than busses do. Some B-Line buses are already full and passing by passenges at bus stops.

LRT is faster.

LRT has proven to spur urban intensification.

http://hamiltonlightrail.com/article/about_hlr/ [url=http://hamiltonlightrail.com/files/lrt_economic_development.pdf]http://hamiltonlightrail.com/files/lrt_ ... opment.pdf[/url]

[i]Based on the experiences of other communities, we know the potential for economic development along an LRT line is huge, the potential appetite for goods and services incredible. So, too, is the potential for residential development, long known to be one of the crucial elements of any urban rejuvenation strategy.

But the story the numbers do tell is not a pessimistic one. A consultants' report into the economics of LRT in our city projected the system would need about 34,000 riders a weekday to break even on operations. The B-line from Eastgate Square to McMaster University -- which is the city's proposed corridor for an LRT line -- affects four of the HSR's major routes. Collectively, those routes add up to 25,000 to 30,000 trips a day. That's not far off the break-even point.

The beauty of the equation is that those 25,000 to 30,000 trips are already there. There's no need to convince those transit users of the benefits of public transit. If we build it, they will come[/i]

http://www.thespec.com/article/717224