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Dinwiddie OC - really?

I wasn't pinning much hope on this season, but now I've really lowballed my expectations.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about the 2014, if we have one.

You know what's really strange is most of the players questionned really liked him. I remember Troy Smith saying he was a genius and this...

Certaines rumeurs ont circulé selon lesquelles les quarts-arrière, les demis offensifs et les receveurs avaient de la difficulté à communiquer avec Worman. Troy Smith n’est pas de cet avis.

«Je n’avais aucun problème avec lui, car j’étais à la même page en ce qui concernait notre stratégie, a raconté le pivot. Pour le reste, je suis comme un cheval avec des œillères: je me concentre sur la tâche que j’ai à faire.

«Si des choses me dérangent, ça peut nuire à l’équipe au complet.»

Même son de cloche du côté du receveur Brandon London.

«Rick était très ouvert et il était toujours disponible pour répondre à mes questions. C’est une sorte de choc pour moi.»


This is a very strange move and one the players didn't see coming at all, Worman didn't see it coming and Popp didn't see him coming. This is all on Higgins and when he says he takes full responsability does he mean that the Als can take Worman's contract out of Higgin's pay ? :wink:

Not going to be a stellar year. 8 wins at MOST.

I am definitely more optimistic than you. I expect the Als to be better than 2013 on offence and special teams and as good,if not better,on defence. I say 11-7.

Richard

The Als organization needs to learn how to conduct interviews. You can't afford to systematically hire the wrong people and aspire to be successful, in a very short period of time at that.

Smith is hurt. LBJ might be done for the season. And these tidbits from Herb:

[i]When camp opened, it was obvious the offence was struggling — and continued with each passing day. Worman had instituted a vertical offensive system, complete with numerous long passing plays. But these plays weren’t being converted, the timing between quarterbacks and receivers lagging.

This isn’t particularly unusual. Offences always take longer to mesh. But it also was clear there were protection issues up front, the system simply not working. According to a source, tailback Brandon Whitaker refused to run a play. The plays were different and confusing, said one offensive lineman, admitting a players-only meeting had occurred.[/i]

And now Dinwiddie is going to call the plays out of the same garbage playbook that wasn't working? If we go 11-7, it will be a blinking miracle.

Smith is hurt. LBJ might be done for the season. And these tidbits from Herb:

[i]When camp opened, it was obvious the offence was struggling — and continued with each passing day. Worman had instituted a vertical offensive system, complete with numerous long passing plays. But these plays weren’t being converted, the timing between quarterbacks and receivers lagging.

This isn’t particularly unusual. Offences always take longer to mesh. But it also was clear there were protection issues up front, the system simply not working. According to a source, tailback Brandon Whitaker refused to run a play. The plays were different and confusing, said one offensive lineman, admitting a players-only meeting had occurred.[/i]

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And now Dinwiddie is going to call the plays out of the same garbage playbook that wasn't working? If we go 11-7, it will be a blinking miracle.

Je crois que ceux qui espéraient une attaque digne de ce nom avec Worman aux commandes portaient des lunettes roses.

Est-ce que Worman est vraiment meilleur que Dinwiddie? C'est loin d'être certain. Les attaques de Worman n'ont fonctionné qu'une saison, en 2001.

L'an dernier, vers la fin de la saison, on voyait une amélioration de l'attaque. Or, selon le 'Ournal de ce matin, cette attaque de la fin de la saison dernière était dirigée par Dinwiddie. C'est Popp qui a eu ces propos.

Je ne prétends pas qu'on va être dans le coup pour la Coupe Grey cette saison, mais seulement que je ne crois pas que Dinwiddie fera pire que Worman l'aurait fait.

Je n'oserai pas faire de prédiction sur la fiche finale des Alouettes cette saison car il y a trop d'impondérables, déjà. Le genou de Smith, le bras de Luc Brodeur-Jourdain, les botteurs, les schémas offensifs, les unités (nullités?) spéciales, la situation des quarts. Il y a présentement trop d'inconnues. Mais ces inconnues auraient été les mêmes avec Worman. Or, ce dernier est un inepte notoire. Pourquoi ne pas prendre la chance que Dinwiddie s'avère un bon élève? Je crois que c'est le pari que Higgins a fait.

Lors de l'embauche de Worman, le ciel venait de nous tomber sur la tête. Et maintenant qu'il s'en va, le ciel nous est encore tombé sur la tête?

Je ne dis pas que les Alouettes n'ont rien à améliorer administrativement, particulièrement du côté des embauches. Je dis simplement que le congédiement de Worman n'est à mon sens pas pire que son embauche.

LeStaf, not quite true. Worman ran a good offense with Ray in 2008, then got fired purely because Maciocia wanted to bring his buddy Strasser in at the first opportunity.

I'm certainly not defending Worman. But let's at least give him credit where it's due.

Here's my foolish optimism for the moment. If RDS is right and Dinwiddie was mostly responsible for the playbook, that likely happened because Worman was hired late and Dinwiddie had already been around to work on the playbook before Worman even came in. Herb's piece seems to imply that the protection schemes were crap. So MAYBE, just maybe ... the protection schemes were Worman's creation and his only. So offing Worman means changing the protections (which are adjunct to the plays but not necessarily intertwined with them) and improving the playbook that way?

C'est juste, mais l'attaque de Worman en 2009 n'allait nulle part non plus. Strasser n'a pas fait mieux, j'en conviens. Je trouve qu'il ne faut pas être un génie pour aller nulle part avec Ray comme quart, mais bon, il ne peut faire mieux que la protection qu'on lui donne. Cela dit, ça ne fait que deux épisodes respectables pour Worman. Pas de quoi écrire à sa mère.

Here's my foolish optimism for the moment. If RDS is right and Dinwiddie was mostly responsible for the playbook, that likely happened because Worman was hired late and Dinwiddie had already been around to work on the playbook before Worman even came in. Herb's piece seems to imply that the protection schemes were crap. So MAYBE, just maybe ... the protection schemes were Worman's creation and his only. So offing Worman means changing the protections (which are adjunct to the plays but not necessarily intertwined with them) and improving the playbook that way?
Le 'Ournal a effectivement rapporté que Dinwiddie avait souligné que les schémas de protection des quarts devaient être travaillés. Ça ne confirme pas que ceux-ci étaient l'oeuvre de Worman, mais il y a là quelque chose le laisse croire.

What concerns me is the very idea that we would try to install a vertical offense in 2014. I don't think vertical offenses are feasible anymore no matter how good your offense is. The league has changed. Post Trestman/Hufnagel, there are so many more sophisticated ways to attack the field both horizontally and vertically via pre-snap motion, good angles, and picks/rubs. Defenses, correspondingly, have improved dramatically. The sandlot football of the '90s is long gone. No matter who you are, your primary goal should be to control the clock, keep your D off the field, and wear down the other team. That isn't as likely to happen when you're running deep plays that have statistically less chance of being successful than 10-15 yard completions in the short-to-intermediate range. The best offenses in the CFL (Toronto, Saskatchewan, Hamilton, Calgary) are ball-control offenses.

I just hope Dinwiddie knows what he's doing.

I definitely have more confidence in Dinwiddie than Worman. Dinwiddie will do very well; I have no doubts.

Richard

[i]“There were definitely some issues that were beginning to arise. Some disagreements. Guys were questioning things,? said a player who shall remain anonymous for obvious reasons. “He’s kind of stubborn in his ways. It made it hard for people to operate and conduct meetings.?

“Some people didn’t understand his personality. He clashed with people sometimes,? said another player. “He didn’t click with too many people — and there’s some people you have to click with.?[/i]

Here's my unsubstantiated guess. Given that Troy Smith apparently had no problem with Worman, who else could he have failed to "click" with but the offensive line? It would square with the protection issues upfront and Herb's assertion that Worman and Sweet weren't getting along. So if I had to guess, I'd say that the offensive line didn't respond to him at all.

The one thing I'll say for Dinwiddie? At least he's a fresh new voice. He's not a retread (Berry, Worman) or an NFL reject (Miller). He's young and hopefully ready to learn on the job, paying attention to what did AND didn't work for his predecessors.

Or, Troy Smith is smart enough not to say anything that pins the blame on him.
Either way, it is a concern that Higgins made a poor choice but I will credit him for not trying to justify it by stubbornly keeping Worman in place.

My gut tells me the same thing; although, in fairness, it tells me to have a third/fourth/fifth piece of pizza too so how good its judgement is may be questioned.

Well yeah, that's always a possibility in any case. I'm just operating on the premise that what a player says after the fact, when there would seem to be no longer any reason to prevaricate, is accurate. For example, last year, after Hawkins got axed and Miller demoted, Calvillo was open about the fact that he wasn't comfortable with the offense he was asked to run in training camp.

Either way, it is a concern that Higgins made a poor choice but I will credit him for not trying to justify it by stubbornly keeping him in place.
Yes, I'll say this for Higgins: at least he acted swiftly to (hopefully) rectify his own mistake.

Of course the Hawkins circus was so public that there was no need for discretion, and there is a pretty good chance that Calvillo already knew it was likely his last season.

But from all accounts, the Worman fiasco wasn't any less public. He apparently alienated everyone in the org from top to bottom. Drank at meetings. May have used an anti-francophone slur against one of his own assistants. Players were openly unhappy on the field. Herb even says it was obvious before camp that there were issues and Higgins confirmed that opinion in the post-firing interview.

As for Calvillo, we have no way of knowing if he knew at that stage that it would be his last season. He hadn't yet sustained the Foley concussion that would end his season and career. I guess I'm just saying that while you may well be right -- Smith saying the right things after the fact -- it's also possible that Smith was being genuine, because what could be gained now by toeing the party line? The party line has changed -- Worman's no longer in charge. :wink:

It`s funny that everyone, myself included, thought that Sweet would be the coach blowing up. And it turns out to be Worman. Although still a full season for Sweet to do so also.

I think there might have been a big disconnect between Worman and Sweet, particularly if protection issues were involved.

As for Higgins, not do be able to do due diligence with only 2 coaches to hire (was it Popp who hired Quick?) is a head scratcher.

Hang on. We are only two weeks into camp, plenty of time left for Sweet to show his old self… Half of Higgins hires are already gone.