My Standings/AP/IGC

My doing another experiment, I'm using a diffrent standings system where it's 3 for a win, 2 of a tie or OT win, 1 for a OT loss, 0 for a loss. My goal with the system is to elimate point ties at the end of the season.

Right now, my standings look like this (I just continue to edit my frist post except for week 10 and 20)

East W L T OTW OTL TP

  1. Montreal: 1 0 0 0 1: 4
  2. Toronto: 1 1 0 0 0: 3
  3. Ottawa: 0 1 0 1 0: 2
  4. Hamilton: 0 1 0 0 0: 0
  5. Atlantic: HIATOS

West W L T OTW OTL TP

  1. Edmonton: 2 0 0 0 0: 6
  2. BC: 1 0 0 0 0: 3
  3. Saskatchewan: 1 0 0 0 0: 3
  4. Calgary: 0 1 0 0 0: 0
  5. Winnipeg: 0 2 0 0 0: 0

This is what I'm trying to prevent:

2003 Final Standings:
WESTERN DIVISION
GP W L T PF PA PTS
Edmonton Eskimos 18 13 5 0 569 414 26
Winnipeg Blue Bombers 18 11 7 0 514 487 22
Saskatchewan Roughriders 18 11 7 0 535 430 22
British Columbia Lions 18 11 7 0 531 430 22

Calgary Stampeders 18 5 13 0 323 501 10
EASTERN DIVISION
GP W L T PF PA PTS
Montreal Alouettes 18 13 5 0 562 409 26
Toronto Argonauts 18 9 9 0 473 433 18
Ottawa Renegades 18 7 11 0 467 581 14
Hamilton Tiger-Cats 18 1 17 0 293 583 2

1998 Final Standings:
WESTERN DIVISION GP W L T PF PA PTS
Calgary Stampeders 18 12 6 0 558 387 24
Edmonton Eskimos 18 9 9 0 396 450 18
British Columbia Lions 18 9 9 0 394 427 18

Saskatchewan Roughriders 18 5 13 0 411 525 10
EASTERN DIVISION GP W L T PF PA PTS
Hamilton Tiger-Cats 18 12 5 1 503 351 25
Montreal Alouettes 18 12 5 1 470 435 25

Toronto Argonauts 18 9 9 0 462 409 18
Winnipeg Blue Bombers 18 3 15 0 396 588 6

1994 Final Standings:
Western Division GP W L T PF PA Pts
Calgary Stampeders 18 15 3 0 698 355 30
Edmonton Eskimos 18 13 5 0 518 401 26
British Columbia Lions 18 11 6 1 604 456 23
Saskatchewan Roughriders 18 11 7 0 512 454 22
Sacramento Goldminers 18 9 8 1 436 436 19
Las Vegas Posse 18 5 13 0 447 622 10
Eastern Division GP W L T PF PA Pts
Winnipeg Blue Bombers 18 13 5 0 651 572 26
Baltimore CFL's 18 12 6 0 561 431 24
Toronto Argonauts 18 7 11 0 504 578 14
Ottawa Rough Riders 18 4 14 0 480 647 8
Hamilton Tiger-Cats 18 4 14 0 435 562 8

Shreveport Pirates 18 3 15 0 330 661 6

I'm surpzied that no one has repied to me on this, well I'll update my Standings now to keep the topic alive.:

East W L T OTW OTL TP

  1. Montreal: 2 1 0 0 1: 7
  2. Toronto: 2 2 0 0 0: 6
  3. Ottawa: 1 3 0 1 0: 5
  4. Hamilton: 0 3 0 0 0: 0
  5. Atlantic: HIATOS

West W L T OTW OTL TP

  1. BC: 3 0 0 0 0: 9
  2. Edmonton: 4 1 0 0 0: 12
  3. Saskatchewan: 3 1 0 0 0: 9
  4. Calgary: 1 2 0 0 0: 3
  5. Winnipeg: 1 4 0 0 0: 3 :smiley:

Is this your thesis, if so right on man..

Interesting idea that might actually work. As far as the CFL changing the system it probably won't happen. This system is completly new to any sport and would be hard for everyone to adjust too. It might also be confusing at first until we get used to it. But its still something fun to experiment with!

It's starting to look like soccer, but what the hay... knock yourself OUT!

If you’re trying to eliminate ties at the end of the season, this won’t really work. Sure those instances you mentioned may have had different results, but so would every other season, and there may be ties under your system where there were none before.

So in the past 10 years a tie breaker had to be employed 3 times. So what? Did any deserving team get really cheated? I don't think so. Under this other system its still possible for teams to end up tied at the end of the year and thus some tie breaking formula will have to be employed, so what is the point? The current system seems fair to me. And I'm glad they got rid of the point for the o/t loss.

it was more than 3 times, those are just examples. and there were no ties in the three seasons there were OT loss points.

I agree that this will maybe not elimated ties, but will see, better to have a diffrent point system in OT than none at all.

Why is better to have a different point system in OT? Can you point to any time that a deserving really got cheated using the current system of awarding points?

I just think that two teams that go into OT don't desever to get the full 2 (or 3 for that matter) points in the Standings. That's all, and there are what, an avaruge of 2 or 3 games that go into OT a season???

If we chage the points for game that go into OT, the Standings chage and there is less ties, the proff is the 3 seasons where the OT loss point is used.

no team that really deserve to play in the Grey Cup has no gone there (expect maybe in 1981).

Just to prove that the OT loss made a difference, here are the Standings of the seasons it was used:

2000 Final Standings:

WESTERN DIVISION GP W L T OTL PF PA PTS
Calgary Stampeders 18 12 5 1 0 604 495 25
Edmonton Eskimos 18 10 8 0 1 527 520 21
British Columbia Lions 18 8 10 0 1 513 529 17
Saskatchewan Roughriders 18 5 12 1 0 516 626 11

EASTERN DIVISION GP W L T OTL PF PA PTS
Montreal Alouettes 18 12 6 0 0 594 379 24
Hamilton Tiger-Cats 18 9 9 0 2 470 446 20
Winnipeg Blue Bombers 18 7 10 1 1 539 596 16
Toronto Argonauts 18 7 10 1 0 390 562 15
(Made a difference)

2001 Final Standings:

WESTERN DIVISION GP W L T OTL PF PA PTS
Edmonton Eskimos 18 9 9 0 1 439 463 19
Calgary Stampeders 18 8 10 0 1 478 476 17
British Columbia Lions 18 8 10 0 0 417 445 16

Saskatchewan Roughriders 18 6 12 0 0 308 416 12

EASTERN DIVISION GP W L T OTL PF PA PTS
Winnipeg Blue Bombers 18 14 4 0 0 509 383 28
Hamilton Tiger-Cats 18 11 7 0 0 440 420 22
Montreal Alouettes 18 9 9 0 0 454 419 18
Toronto Argonauts 18 7 11 0 1 432 455 15

2002 Final Standings:

WESTERN DIVISION GP W L T OTL PF PA PTS
Edmonton Eskimos 18 13 5 0 0 516 450 26
Winnipeg Blue Bombers 18 12 6 0 0 566 421 24
British Columbia Lions 18 10 8 0 0 480 399 20
Saskatchewan Roughriders 18 8 10 0 2 435 393 18
Calgary Stampeders 18 6 12 0 2 438 509 14

EASTERN DIVISION GP W L T OTL PF PA PTS
Montreal Alouettes 18 13 5 0 1 587 407 27
Toronto Argonauts 18 8 10 0 0 344 482 16
Hamilton Tiger-Cats 18 7 11 0 1 427 524 15
Ottawa Renegades 18 4 14 0 2 356 550 10

So it does make a huge difference, though last season they would have been a tie anyway, so OT win was added. It's going to be intreresting. :wink:

I missed my picks this week so I'm going to update my fantasy Pick the winners league here. Pardon me.

This week, (except the East and West) all teams will get the house wins and loses points, which is 3-1 thus 6 points out of 8.

also, I'm addind aot loss point, so that all teams that picked Montreal in week 2 will get one point.

All weeks points total 25 points

1.Saskatoon Scarcrows: 19
2.Victoria Generals: 19 (Both had perfect scores in week 1 :shock: )
3.Vancouver Lions: 17
4.Regina RR: 17
5.Kelowna Beavers: 17
6.Alaska Gold Miners: 15
7.Stallions/Alouettes: 14
8.Halifax Schooners: 13
9.Sudbury Sentinals: 13

10.Staint John Iceburg: 13
11.Edmonton Energy:11
12.Moncton Corcondes: 11
13.Newfoundland Bulldogs: 11
14.Quebec City Nordikquess: 11
15.Windsor Barracudas: 11
16.Thunder Bay Pirates: 9
17.Manitoba Blue Bombers: 9
18.BB: Hiatos

East: 6
West: 18

Nine team will make the playoffs, going to be intreresting.

.............holy smokes KK, I know the landscaping business is slow right now but, man..............are you drinking heavily while you do this?..............stop this and go attend to Ms.KK who is probably sick of the stats by now.......... :smiley: ...........just kidding you nut, make sure your tinfoil hat is on correctly when you make these predictions...........

Haven't ventured the CFL forum much, but here is my input. I like the 3pts for a win system, every game is more meaningful, you lose a game, you miss out on 3 big points. Soccer has always used this and it has made many games more exciting. But to prevent ties?? Not quite so sure. Ties are there and we have many ways to break them. Pts for, Pts against, Pts difference, Head to Heads stats.
Soccer has an interesting feature that they use in the Champions league (and probably other occasions). Away points count more, if you win a game 2-0 away but lose 3-0 at home, you still win the leg with aggregate goals (even though you have been outscored 3-2, away goals count as double, so you would win 4-3). Not sure why i'm mentioning it, but it could be another determining factor for breaking ties in the CFL.....if I have explained the previous system correctly.

IMO, take away the one point for losing in OT, and it seems all good to me

Ms KK (or Iruka-Koara, Dolphin-Koala is English) is in Japan right now and I only get to e-mail or talk on the phone with her once a week! :cry:

The predictions are done by location mainly but somethings I do something totally radome to keep it intreresting.

It's 3 points for a win, but this will not prevent ties, the points for a game that goes into OT (2 for a win, one for a lose) I hope will.

I'll consider your idea to break ties as well. :wink:

Time to update my standings!

East W L T OTW OTL TP

  1. Toronto: 6 3 0 0 0: 18
  2. Ottawa: 4 4 0 1 0: 14
  3. Montreal: 4 5 0 0 1: 13
  4. Hamilton: 1 8 0 0 0: 3
  5. Atlantic: HIATOS

West W L T OTW OTL TP

  1. BC: 8 0 0 0 0: 24
  2. Edmonton: 6 3 0 0 0: 18
  3. Calgary: 4 5 0 0 0: 12
  4. Saskatchewan: 3 5 0 0 0: 9
  5. Winnipeg: 3 7 0 0 0: 9 :smiley:

I like it

Yup,
it would work great there