Mediocrity synonymous with the roughies!

Enough bulls--t already about a phenominal roughie's season! The riders aren't going to do any better than mediocrity this... or any other season with ho' hum greene at the helm and mccallum attempting to do what appears to be... some sort of half-hearted kicking! I know that everyone else sees this so for those of you still in denial... dummy up! Furthermore... as has been suggested before, the roughies will not land a quality QB like Maas or Printers because of salary limitations in Saskatchewan. Geez, why do you think they let burris go??? Without a salary cap and one capped low enough to take away the advantage from the larger market area clubs, the roughies are going to have to be content to always be a mediocre club! Even with burris, they still would have been mediocre! They could still have a 9-9 season which is a hell of a lot better than a 3-15 season. Who's to say they won't have another "1989" season. That's within the realms of reality. Cinderella does appear at the ball every now and then! But as far as being a "key team" in the CFL, it ain't gonna happen for the roughies, not at least in the present or near future! Geez, I'm from Saskatchewan and I can see and accept this. Why and the hell can't the rest of the so-called rider faithful do the same? Now stop all this incessant whining about whether it should have been burris, or the fact that it is greene, or the delusional idea that greene will rise and take the roughies to the Grey Cup. It is not going to happen so accept it for what it is! Mediocrity!

zZar

Geez, I'm from Saskatchewan and I can see and accept this. Why and the hell can't the rest of the so-called rider faithful do the same? Now stop all this incessant whining about whether it should have been burris, or the fact that it is greene, or the delusional idea that greene will rise and take the roughies to the Grey Cup. It is not going to happen so accept it for what it is! Mediocrity!

zZar
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Maybe that's the problem, Sask fans are willing to accept mediocrity, while winning teams and their fans are not? I am a Sask fan, but why should we be happy with this, especially when there is so much hype, they come out strong and then slowly or this season, quikly fall short of what I would even call mediocre.

As far as salary, why not splurge for a good QB. With a great QB who is exciting, you would get the extra 200,000 back in one or two games just from the gate sales, not to mention merchandise sales. Maybe it's Winnipeg and Sask that should pay or walk, and not the rest of the league to caugh up for a cap. I am personaly for the cap, but there is so many ways around it.

To sum it up, If you can't beat em, join em.

No cap = no Riders down the road. It's that simple.
There are more people living within 100 km of most CFL cities than all of Saskatchewan.
It's easy to say we should spend more and get more fans out. There are only so many potential Rider fans in a sparsely populated province like Saskatchewan.
If the deep pockets in Edmonton and Calgary want to out-spend the Riders at every turn, this could lead to the demise of one or two teams.
Who's going to watch a six or seven-team CFL?
Hard cap, hard enforcement (not draft picks) is the way to go.
If it's good enough to save the poor Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers, than a hard cap is good enough to save the Riders.
(And anyone who lives in Alberta and doesn't agree is a hypocrite).

......well, I'm from Alberta.....and I disagree........and that doesn't make me a hypocrite..........and here's why:

.....you have assumed, wrongly, that the NHL and CFL are somehow the SAME in their economic systems.....they not even remotely close......the NHL had to bring in a cap to ensure survival of the league because the salaries were crushing the ability of an owner to profit from their business venture (the irony of the owners causing it in the first place was kind of lost during the whole process of the lockout, but I digress).........the CFL is not facing the same probem as the salaries being paid to key quality players are not out of line......if BC, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal and Toronto were all losing money then your analogy would work, but they're not, their making money thank you very much......

.......so what you are really saying is, we want a Handicap Cap on salaries....so the socialist teams can compete with the capitalist teams.......be honest that's what it is........and it isnt' going to happen boys because owners like Braley and Campbell are not going to allow the have-not teams tell them how much money they are allowed to make from running their teams as they see fit......

I agree. Comparing the NHL to the CFL in an economice sense is like comparing Michael Feterik to Ron Lancaster as QB's.

redwhite, I'm sure you're the same dude from the sportsnet forums
so you want to get all high and mighty and say you can't compare the CFL to the NH.
Well then, you'll have to admit you can't compare markets in Calgary and Edmonton to Saskatchewan and Winnipeg, which are much smaller, and the population of those provinces is not nearly as dense.
Sounds like the problem the NHL had before - big market teams out-spending smaller market teams.
Your pompous attitude is really starting to get on my nerves. You are the type of poster who could cut his nose off to spite his own face.
Think about it, Redwhite. Obviously teams from bigger markets have more cash, more fans to draw from, more potential sponsors, and ultimately a greater chance to succeed against those with smaller pockets.
This could go on forever, or at least until the poor teams get fed up and fold.
I was there to save the Riders once. How many times do you think that's going to happen in a province where the population is shrinking, not growing.
I'm a fan of the CFL. You're a homer.
If you want a CFL without Saskatchewan and Winnipeg, go ahead and say so. Because in the current economic model, they will end up as sad sacks like the Oilers and Flames were for so many years.
The CFL can ill afford to lose any teams. Why a Calgary fans would want the Riders to fold is beyond me, given how well your team draws when they are in town.
The CFL needs a model by which all teams can compete on an equal level. Do I wish the Riders could draw more fans? Sure. It's bad enough I drive 4 hours to get to home games. That's a situation that no other team has.
So either you're a fan of the CFL, and want all teams to survive and prosper, or you're a self-centred homer who wants to try and out-spend other teams to win it all, damaging the fabric that holds the CFL together in the first place.
I know what kind of fan I am, and unfortuntely I know what kind of fan you are as well.
Too bad the Flames didn't fold a few years ago - you'd be singing a much different song right now.
You, sir, are a hypocrite.

I'd watch a 6 or 7 team CFL... I drive 4 hours now to get to CFL and Hockey games, along the worst highway in the effn world, Fort McMurray to Edmonton, it isnt that bad!

......ah bite me chewy, your whining is pitiful, you don't even know me.......sportsnet forum? nope not me, so that must mean there are other people out there that are shooting holes too in your crybaby pouts......

.......as for davids going up against goliaths....geez, I seem to remember a little guy called the calgary flames beating the likes of Vancouver, Detroit and San Jose, all before the NHL cap, with a payroll less than the Wings starting line up.........they did in on good coaching, heart and just the right amount of luck when it was needed.......money doesn't buy you a team...ask Sather how that works.....

......and screw you for saying I'm not a fan of the CFL......I outta pull some strings and punt you right out of here for that insult.....my second favorite team is the riders.......so you're having a tough time this year?!......blame injuries, remember those? injuries to key players are what is keeping your club on a temporary losing skid, not how much Burris got paid by the stamps, or how much the EEs are paying RR, crissakes, wake up and smell the coffee before you blame others for your problems.......we probably wouldn't have even seen this stupid thread started if your club was 5-2 or 6-1 insterad of 3-4 right?.......right!.......which makes you the biggest homer of them all........

who said anything about this year? I'm thinking long-term...
And the Flames did have themselves one heck of a run last year... after how many years of sucking?
And do you honestly think the Flames would have been able to keep their team together without a cap?
I see now, cap's great for the Flames, no good for the filthy rich Stampeders.
text book hypocrite. here's hoping my man Tom Wright jams a cap down the throats of all the rich teams. At least someone's thinking long term in the CFL.

......thanks for settling down, now we can discuss this logically.......so they set a cap, and Hughie and David set it at 5 million, how does that change what we currently have?......

......but before you answer that, did you know the stamps for the last three years had the LOWEST payroll of any CFL team?.....did you complain then? no, why would you, I wouldn't have if I was anywhere other than here. So before you keep saying the stamps are 'blowing the cap' or are 'filty rich' know this, they are spending an average amount on salaries, not a filthy amount, or an obsene amount, they are now spending what they should have been, and if that buys a decent team then so be it.....the riders would have a pretty decent team too right now if the IR was't jamb-packed.....

Maybe that’s the problem, Sask fans are willing to accept mediocrity, while winning teams and their fans are not? I am a Sask fan, but why should we be happy with this, especially when there is so much hype, they come out strong and then slowly or this season, quikly fall short of what I would even call mediocre.

As far as salary, why not splurge for a good QB. With a great QB who is exciting, you would get the extra 200,000 back in one or two games just from the gate sales, not to mention merchandise sales. Maybe it’s Winnipeg and Sask that should pay or walk, and not the rest of the league to caugh up for a cap. I am personaly for the cap, but there is so many ways around it.

To sum it up, If you can’t beat em, join em.
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Thanks to the 10,000 Rider fans coming to McMahon on July 23 we paid for our QB. Ah Chewy the same thing as you are on sportnet crying again. The Riders want welfare! Remember me chewy ya thats right I am the guy you are looking for. You and your little buddies had me removed from there because you disagreed with me. Yes fans the Rider fans are poor sports you disagree with them and the cry and coplain and have your removed. Well Chewy like everyone so far has stated to you this is professional sport and yers some leagues require a cap. The problem with your arguemnet and I will go over with this again. You see when the Stamps and Lions were paying a million dollars for Flutie if teams were abusing salaries why did this not continue to go up. They actually dropped for the Marquee player. 3 or 4 hundred thousand dollars is much less then a million in my books. The players and the owners of the teams have a very good partnership that has worked whereas the NHL was totally abused. So the fact your city can not afford a professional team is not the fault of every CFL team or fan in the country. Time to grow up and join the real world. You ahve not changed. You see chewy this site is for big boys.

I don't think Burris wanted to sign with Saskatchewan, regardless. Money wasn't ever the issue, but he sure used old Roy to get Calgary to up the ante. And in the end the dopey roughrider fans end up paying for it anyway because they all drove to Calgary to boo Burris. But those who think a 7 team league (presumably without teams like Winnipeg and Sask) would be viable are sadly mistaken.

You're an idiot redwhite2005
you just stated how happy you were that 10,000 Rider fans showed up in Calgary.
Think about it - no Riders, no Sask team visiting, no 10,000 fans.
If you think the CFL is going to thrive when teams are folding (Winnipeg is in the same boat as Saskatchewan) then you're out of your mind.
It's funny, the NFL has a cap (even with the best TV deal going). Why do you think that is? Why would owners in New York and Dallas care about small-market teams like Green Bay?
Well, gosh, they realize a competive league, where all teams are on an equal footing, ensures a better product, which is more marketable, which makes them more money.
Which model is more attractive - the CFL one (rich teams have all the talent) or the NFL model (every team is on equal footing)?
And BTW, you're precious Flames woudl have been torn apart without the cap. Hypocrite.

.......you have ignored my question chew........an important one because it shows how a cap is meaningless........any response forthcoming?......

.......btw, sask and winn aren't going anywhere soon (i.e. folding), so shut off the sky-is-falling sirens........

are you so sure? Winnipeg was once $3 million in debt. The Riders almost folded.
That was with smaller salaries.
A $5 million cap is too high - there are not even one million people in all of Saskatchewan, nevermind a city of 200,000.
If the cap's that high, then they either need to get a much bigger TV contract, or there has to be revenue sharing.
As is, I have no dount the Riders won't be around in 10 years is the economics don't change.
And without Sask or Winnipeg, how long do yo think the CFL will last?

......I agree that 5mill is too high too, but Hughie and Braley won't allow a commish to impose a realistic cap, say 2mill, as this will limit their free-spending ways.....revenue sharing will kick in long before a realistic cap is in place.....and of course the CFL would be weakened by ANY team leaving, let alone a storied franchise like the riders.....won't happen in our lifetime, guarenteed......

I can only hope. I remember the drive to save the team in the 90s.
If not for the NFL, we’d be toast.

So what should the cap be set at then? Not once did I see RedandWhite argue that there should not be a cap. I think we all agree that there will need to eventually be an enforced salary cap of some kind.

Consider this though. If Winnepeg and Sask cannot operate their teams under the current economic setting what makes you so sure they will be able to do it with a cap. If your’e looking for a cap from the CFL to hopefully force players into staying because the money will be relatively the same no matter where they go, you are looking at it the wrong way.

As far as the Oilers and Flames go, you need to wait until teams in the CFL are paying their players 75% of their total revenues before you can make the comparison. Both those teams came close to folding several times and a big part of the reason they didn’t was the fans had to suck it up and start filling the buildings so that didn’t happen. They also got a little help from the municipal and provincial govts with respect to building leases and with some lottery revenues. It was a team effort.

What is the Sask govt doing to help the Riders? Do the Riders own Taylor Field, and if not then what do they pay to use it. Help me understand here, have they approached the govt with regards to a major renovation or building a new stadium with a larger capacity? If not, maybe they should.

You do understand that if that happens, the fans will have to step up and fill that stadium. If they are not prepared to put their money where their mouth is then they should not even bother with it. I don’t have the Flames numbers handy, but I do know that the Oilers sold out 32 of 40 home games last season.

The bottom line is that instead of expecting everyone else to solve the problem for them, they should look at different ways to solve the problem for themselves first. Once they have done that, then yes they can put some blame on other teams however I don’t think that the other teams in the CFL are as unsympathetic to the situation as you suggest.

Cheers

.......good points, the other risk you run is that by imposing a low cap you may drive talent out of the league, making it no better than a Junior Football league......players like Ray or Calvillo or Dickenson would say go to Europe or the American Embassies in Asia Football League (?!) for the salaries they are acustomed to rather than play for a bush-paying low-cap CFL league......

The Riders have had loans forgiven by the government, they put in the ol jumbo tron, upgrading the park is under way.
It comes down to either you want a system where it can work for the Riders, or you don’t.
In a province with less than one million people, they’re doing their best, believe me.
Edmonton and Calgary have more people within 50 km than Sask has in their entire province.
As I stated earlier, the NFL seems to do well under a cap. As long as it’s a fair number that every team could realistically reach, then I’m all for it.
I’d also like to see teams that Sask and Wpg bail out time and again pay back some cash to us, but that’s not happening any time soon, is it?
(I’m talking about you deadbeats in Hamilton and Toronto).