Well, let's just analyse this :roll:
(comments in red are mine)
Q&A: Mayor Fred Eisenberger
Complied by Emma Reilly
The Hamilton Spectator
(Jul 31, 2010)
Charged with overseeing a city that has been divided by the Pan Am debate, Eisenberger spoke to The Spectator about the Tiger-Cats, the team's proposal for an amphitheatre in the west harbour and how Hamilton can move beyond the debate on stadium location that has divided the city.
Q: What do you think about the Tiger-Cats' amphitheatre proposal?
A: This was a proposal that was certainly a surprise. Clearly we need to evaluate it and assess it and come to terms with what it all means and get specific details from the Tiger-Cats. I don't know that we've received that yet ...
It was certainly an understanding that both the city and the Tiger-Cats had that we would have these kinds of discussions at the negotiating table. I've been holding up my end in terms of not debating these issues in public, and I would have hoped that they would have done the same.
Bald faced lie from Fred..........he's never shut up and did everything in his power to undermine the facilitation
Q: The Pan Am Games announced (Thursday) that track and field events will no longer be in Hamilton and the city will host soccer instead. What was your reaction to that?
A: I'd say, firstly, that this is totally a Pan Am Host Corporation decision to relocate the track and field events to Toronto. I do know that a request was made by Athletics Canada in May to look at this issue. It did come up as part of the facilitation and (facilitator Michael) Fenn's report as something that might be considered.
We did express concern that the foundation of our getting involved in Pan Am had everything to do with the track and field events that were part of the stadium proposal. We did express our concern that this was being pulled. However, we were advised that this was a decision that was 95 per cent made by Hostco.
Were we accepting of the decision? I would say no. We have concerns.
Q: Is this a sign that Hamilton's role in the Games is being chipped away and we could lose the stadium?
A: No, I don't think so. I think soccer is a significant part of the Pan Am Games. Certainly we have a strong soccer community in Hamilton. There's a real interest in soccer based on our ethnic diversity. Every other child out there is playing soccer in our community, so I think we can create a legacy for soccer in our Pan Am stadium moving forward.
Q: (Ticats president) Scott Mitchell reaffirmed Thursday that the Tiger-Cats will not play at the west harbour. If that's the case, was the facilitation process worthwhile?
A: I think the City of Hamilton faithfully fulfilled the facilitation process to look at the west harbour site to draw some conclusions about how this could work for all. I don't believe that the Tiger-Cats did any of that in good faith. In the middle of the facilitation process, the Tiger-Cats said they would never play at the west harbour. It is less than helpful when a strategic partner ignores the community-building imperatives that the City of Hamilton is so interested in.
Truth be known, Fred has been the champion on bad-faith in all of this...remember this ? "full steam ahead on the West Harbour"....while the facilitation process was going on
Q: That's a strong stance.
A: I think I'm stating what a lot of people are thinking. I understand the Tiger-Cats' interest but it's not just about the Tiger-Cats -- it's about the community and what it can inspire for our community and our waterfront development. I would say that the Tiger-Cats certainly haven't taken that very seriously.
The Ticats have been the only entity that has taken everything seriously
Q: A lot of people have described the debate as messy and out of control. How does the city get out of this in one piece?
A: I think we need to break it down to its essential elements again and go back to the foundation of why we got into the Pan Am process in the first place, which was to replace (Ivor Wynne) stadium and to provide long-term benefit to the City of Hamilton. I would say we did that in good faith. We certainly considered the Hamilton Tiger-Cats to be the strategic partner, but not the overriding partner in the process, and that we would all come to the table and look at opportunities to make this work ...
I'm not here to lay blame at this point, but I think it might be self-evident that others have been much more interested in their own personal interest, their own private interest, their own football business interests, than they have been in city-building and leaving a lasting legacy.
How about all the tax arrears wiped clean by all the "private interests" in the Rheem area?.........hmmm
And the Tiger-Cats are supposed to be a charity now for the city?
Give your head a shake Fred
Q: Anything else you want to add?
A: I just want to say that we're doing everything humanly possible to ensure the community and public interest is being protected here. That's an important message. Myself and members of council are the caretakers of the City of Hamilton. I take that responsibility very seriously and I'm going to do everything possible to ensure the City of Hamilton's interests are protected in every way possible.
hahahaha.......you crack me up Fred !........start explaining to all the families down there about all the toxic chemicals that were just discovered ..........on your watch !