Loose Bolt Problem at BMO Field Apparently Rectified

The adage "They don't make them like they used to" seems to apply to BMO Field, the new $72 Million soccer stadium in Toronto.

"BMO Field will be safe, city inspector says
By JAMES CHRISTIE

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

TORONTO — Toronto FC fans can leave their hard hats at home when they come to BMO Field Saturday to watch the team go for its third consecutive win in a tussle with D.C. United, after safety assurances from an inspector and an official of the Major League Soccer club.

There won't be any more bolts or fasteners falling from the underside of the stands, an inspection manager for Toronto Building said after an army of workers clambered through the stands tightening all the 40,000 problematic 10-centimetre bolts and adding locking nuts to some.

"The entire decking system has been checked and remedial action is expected to be complete before [Saturday's] game," Rick Flood said in an interview Friday. "They'd been aware of the problem [and] have been doing the remedials. It was a very minor problem, with only a handful of bolts coming loose, perhaps a dozen in all. But they've been going through, securing all 40,000."

Flood said it was not determined that the fasteners which fell to the concourse level had come loose as a result of vibrations from rhythmic clapping and stomping in the stands.

City inspectors have said BMO Field will be safe for Saturday's game between Toronto FC and D.C. United.
Great news because tomorrow we have to kick some DC...

"It may have been a workmanship issue," he said. "Perhaps the bolts just weren't tightened as much as they had to be. The stomping may have cause the things to fall, but it's not the cause of any major failure."

Bob Hunter, the executive vice-president of operations for the stadium manager and Toronto FC's owner, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, was at BMO Field Friday and confirmed the repairs will be finished.

The units in question consisted of a washer, an attached bolt and locking nut which pull together the overlapping sections of the metal decking of each row of seats. "Structurally, it's not an issue," Hunter said."

Does anyone remember any similar problems ever happening at seventy-seven year old Ivor Wynne Stadium (previously known as Civic Stadium) in Hamilton?

No....but both stadium are constructed completely different.

...I always knew TO had a few screws loose...

Now the men's toilets may have been a little loose in the eighties... :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:...but IWS is structurally pretty sound despite the age. The north stand is "only " in its thirties, after all. :wink:

As for the stomping issue, the Cats play the PA so loud during the game, people are numbed to the point where that kind of spontaneous energy is the exception rather than the rule. But that's another ten threads... :smiley:

Oski Wee Wee,

...I always knew TO had a few screws loose...
And here I thought it was because they were all nuts...

I wonder what our resident p.eng specialist in metal structures thinks about these Toronto buildings falling apart? Should everyone panic?

(Ockham) I wonder what our resident p.eng specialist in metal structures thinks about these Toronto buildings falling apart? Should everyone panic?
As a matter of fact, local councilors and the city engineering department are currently looking into the matter of IWS's structure.

If and when my city contact gets back to me, I'll report to this site immediately.

Earlier on this thread, Russ in Montreal @ Yahoo (Oski Wee Wee) reported that IWS was a pretty sound structure despite its age.

Russ, perhaps you could explain how you arrived at these findings.

Rocky, perhaps you should focus your professional concerns on the appropriate people and refrain from fear mongering on this site.

Just my observation when I've been to the stadium in recent years and the fact that chunks or girders haven't fallen on anyone to my knowldege...for a 77-year-old structure in the world stadia universe, that is a good sign.

I live 40 minutes from the Big O -- perhaps that colours my perception! LOL

I'm not an engineer, so any insight contrary to that layman's observation would be welcome. :wink:

Oski Wee Wee,

As a matter of fact, local councilors and the city engineering department are currently looking into the matter of IWS's structure.

If and when my city contact gets back to me, I'll report to this site immediately.

Earlier on this thread, Russ in Montreal @ Yahoo (Oski Wee Wee) reported that IWS was a pretty sound structure despite its age.

Russ, perhaps you could explain how you arrived at these findings.


Rocky...what are you getting at???

I understand that $72 million is rather inexpensive for a stadium the size of BMO Field. So when I heard about this, and read through that Globe and Mail article, it was the "you get what you pay for" adage that came to mind.

Anyway, I'm not sure exactly how sound a structure IWS is, or how much longer it will be structurally sound. It seems it has been for a while, but replacing it is something that has been discussed this off-season in other threads here. But if it is going to be replaced, it certainly would be unfortunate to replace one stadium that is falling apart, only to have the new stadium have similar problems. It certainly does seem they don't make them like they used to, and hopefully the stadium that replaces IWS won't have these problems.

What on earth are you talking about Ockham? I have already been in discussion with the appropriate people.
This is why I'm waiting for an answer from city hall. As already mentioned, when I get my answer, YOU'LL GET YOURS!
I really don't understand why you would reintroduce this topic on this site and than say that I am fear mongering. Until you came along, this thread was dealing with loose bolts in a Toronto soccer stadium and had nothing to do with "possible" metallurgical failure.
If you give me some slack, you'll likely hear soon that Ivor Wynne has either been pronounced safe or unsafe. I'm certainly hoping its safe and the only thing I am promoting is an inspection.

This site isn't looking for you to report to it. Take such concerns to the City of Hamilton and Tiger Cats management. Everything else is hot air.

As a matter of fact, local councilors and the city engineering department are currently looking [b]into the matter[/b] of IWS's structure.

If and when my city contact gets back to me, I'll report to this site immediately.


IWS is safe so whats the point Rocky? Are you worried about it and have decided to go to the city? And if so why are you so worried other than the obvious age of the stadium? Whats 'the matter' you speak of?

BMO Field isn't the only place with a few nuts on the loose.

The Federal Ministry of Symbolism suggests the Parliament buildings are on the verge of collapse. Maybe our resident metal expert could turn his attention there.

LMAO

Yup.

A quick email to the engineering dept at city hall lead to a quick reply and premission to copy the email here.

[i]due to a series of renewals and upgrades throughout the years it has been maintained within a fair to good condition range. In recent years and due to the structural inspection survey assessment and report completed in 2004 there has been significant work completed to replace and rehabilitate some of the concrete stairways and seating slabs throughout the stadium. This work is to continue this year with a budget in excess of $1.5 million. Work is also targeted over the next ten years, the budget for which will be subject to council approval.

In addition to the above, the facility will continue to be monitored with additional condition inspections and structural surveys to ensure the overall health of the infrastructure.

Regards.

John Murray [/i]

As one would expect, it's an on-going process of inspections.

This site is about TiCat and /or CFL football. It seems to me that Ivor Wynne Stadium is an integral part of all of this.

I took your advice Ockham, and went to the city. I asked them if they could simply find the time to run some simple tests on the south stands in particular. They assured me that they would take my concerns into account and promised to get back to me.

I'm at a loss as to how I might further appease your anger on this issue.

You have insulted me a number of times in the past by publicly saying that I'm "fear mongering". Could you perhaps hold your venemous comments until the city reacts, one way or another.

My personal dilemma here, is that they may not react at all, which would be typical for Hamilton City Council, but at least, I've tried to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

You do understand, that "safety" is the issue here ?

Good on rocky123.

He has concerns regarding IWS and has taken it up with the city.

Commendable.

Even better that he'll share the results with us here.

Well Rocky, do your due diligence and watch the home games on television. If the stadium falls apart during a game I'll be the first to sing your praises. Until then, Oskie Wee Wee.