.....which outlines their desired end state. Those rules are not in effect right now.Your previous post said that under that memo Liram would be a Ticat should he return. That’s not the case currently.
Please do not start that Question his Character , Like most Athletes you have questions about you ability and/ or potential.
you do what’s best for you and your Family.
I give the Cats Kudos on this one, no sense in holding him back !!
Hoping this explanation will clear up anyone’s confusion:
There are two sets of CFL players getting the opportunity, this winter, to work out with NFL teams –
If a player, from either group, signs an NFL contract and is later released from that NFL contract, he becomes a free agent, having no contractual agreement, with any team, and is free to sign with any team, in any league.
However, a player from group 2, like Lirim, while not obligated to do so, is likely to return to his CFL team, honouring a good will agreement, he likely made, at least verbally, when the CFL team released him, as the only way he’d be able to explore his big league, and big $$$$, chances.
If Hajrullahu had sued for his release after being denied, I’m thinking that he likely would have won.
The CBA guarantees that players will have the right to try out with NFL teams at the end of each season, regardless of contract length. This isn’t a desired state; it’s what’s stated in the CBA, and is legally binding. The fact that the NFLPA is preventing NFL teams from signing players already under contract elsewhere doesn’t change this. Teams must still allow their players the option. Unfortunately, they only have one option to do this, releasing those players who are looking to try out in the NFL.
Having your cake and eating it to !
Not quite.
The desired State is that the player stays under contract in the CFL and the team retains its rights.
Currently that is impossible.
You’re right, they’re almost forced to honour the CBA by releasing these players, but the intent was never to have them all be free agents.
Noel that Chris Jones is out of the league, I wonder which team will be the first one to poach one of these premature free agents as they make their way back to the CFL?
Crash, It appears that you are correct and if Lirum comes back to the CFL he would be a Free Agent. I stand corrected! 8)
From another 3down article just released
In the event that the N.F.L. Club terminates the Player’s N.F.L. Standard Player Contract, and the Player’s C.F.L. Standard Player Contract has not expired, the Player’s C.F.L. Standard Player Contract and any renewal thereof between the Player and the Member Club shall become effective and shall remain in effect until its expiration date, and all benefits in accordance with the said C.F.L. Standard Player Contract and Collective Agreement shall continue to remain in effect.
Effective 2020 and going forward, all players under contract will be eligible for the NFL Option Window, described herein, at the end of each season, regardless of the length of their contract. This proposed clause is subject to agreement from the NFL.
The report is that the NFL effectively said no to this agreement. Part of the issue between leagues appears to be the language that only NFL standard player contracts will result in CFL players being released. These are different from NFL practice roster agreements. It is believed that the NFL/NFLPA does not allow players to tryout with such a restriction.
CFL teams have followed previous practices and continued to release 2020 free agent players and allow them to work out. However, the CFL has told teams that option year players can not be allowed to work out in NFL. This forced the Bombers to release defensive lineman Jonathan Kongbo who had agreed to sign only based on option year availability and the Stampeders to release defensive back Tre Roberson who had a similar understanding when he signed with the team.
This leaves both teams at a disadvantage as if either player returns to CFL in 2020 the Bombers and Stampeders will be negotiating on equal ground with those players as free agents with the rest of the league.
Correct, the desired state is to allow them to sign with NFL teams while retaining their rights, like the old option year guaranteed. Unfortunately, the monkey wrench thrown in by NFLPA has forced teams to release players without that guarantee.
Too bad they can’t add in something similar to the neg list for these players. They wouldn’t be under contract, which would satisfy the NFLPA, but their rights would be retained.
It’s not sign with NFL…it’s try out. Pretty sure once they SIGN an NFL contract their CFL contract is void.
Actually, it is sign with an NFL team. Here’s the full definition of the NFL Option Window from the 2019 CBA:
A Player who has signed a C.F.L. Standard Player Contract with a Member Club may sign an N.F.L. Standard Player Contract with a National Football League Member Club (hereinafter referred to as an “N.F.L. Club?) from the date following the day that the C.F.L. season has ended for the Player until his Contract has expired or the second Tuesday in February in the following season, whichever is earlier; provided that the said Player is about to enter his option year in the year following the season just ended, or has played out his option and his Contract will be expiring on the second Tuesday in February in the year following the season just ended.If a Player signs an N.F.L. Standard Player Contract with an N.F.L. Club, the said Player shall remain under Contract with the N.F.L. Club until the Contract has been terminated by the N.F.L. Club or any other N.F.L. Club to whom the said Contract is assigned. When a Player is under Contract with an N.F.L. Club, he shall not be entitled to the benefits under his C.F.L. Standard Player Contract and the Collective Agreement.
In the event that the N.F.L. Club terminates the Player’s N.F.L. Standard Player Contract, and the Player’s C.F.L. Standard Player Contract has not expired, the Player’s C.F.L. Standard Player Contract and any renewal thereof between the Player and the Member Club shall become effective and shall remain in effect until its expiration date, and all benefits in accordance with the said C.F.L. Standard Player Contract and Collective Agreement shall continue to remain in effect.
At least, that’s the way it was supposed to work before the NFLPA quashed it.
According to this article, it is the NFL, not the NFLPA, that is blocking teams from signing players currently under CFL contracts. They object to the requirement that the players must make the active roster, not just the practice squad. As a result, they aren't allowing those players to even try out.
Players stuck in limbo with NFL window issues unresolved
It changes the legal standing of the clause somewhat, as it states that it is subject to NFL approval, but I suspect that a player would still win any lawsuit, earning his release and likely a large settlement for lost revenue.
Isn’t Bartel a National? That’s better IMO.
As Bartel only plays on special teams, his status only applies to the roster count, not the starter count. And as teams are now forced to dress one (or is it two this year?) global player, I could see a team wanting Bartel to count as a global rather than as a national, given that he’s a proven player.
This situation must absolutely be fixed come the next CFL-CFLPA collective bargaining agreement.
Bartel as a Global is a very good point.
Just like why wouldn’t Brandon Bridge count as a National against the ratio??
The Spec's Steve Milton on Hajrullahu:
Thanks for posting ottawacat!
That pretty much tells the whole story, The Ticats did Lirum a solid and I’m sure that it will pay dividends with other players in the long run!
There’s notable differences between the 2 leagues:
I think the second is a big difference, and possibly one of the main reasons a bunch of CFL kickers don’t stick.
Guess we’ll see
I don’t think Lirim has been using a tee. Another difference is the goal posts are at the deadball line in the NFL, aren’t they? Makes the kick actually 10 yards longer?