Les Alouettes de Quebec

When one remembers the Als semi-final attendance, Joey Saputo yesterday holding a press conference to talk about the city`s lack of support for the Impact (only 5000 season tickets sold), the empty seats at the recent World Junior hockey tournament, you have to grudgingly conclude that Montreal is a Canadiens city. Period. Not a sports city.

All other parties have to work extremely hard for a piece of the sports pie. In the Als case a competitive, exciting team is imperative.

Which brings me to a thought I`ve had in the back of my ever shrinking mind. Would the team benefit from an acceptance, marketing and attendance standpoint if they represented and were named for the entire province of Quebec?

Dans cet ordre d’idée, il faudrait que ce soit les Alouettes du Québec, sinon le maire Labombe va encore pèter une coche et exiger la construction d’un stade tout neuf aux frais des contribuables pour le donner à Labatt. :wink:

Je ne crois pas que ça changerait grand chose. Les Alouette subissent sensiblement la même chose que ce qui arrive aux Argonauts. La portion de population immigrante en provenance de pays où ce football n’existe pas est en croissance, et ils s’intéressent davantage au soccer international et européen qu’au football canadien ou américain.

Je crois que si les Alouettes veulent renouveler leur clientèle, un support plus actif du football au secondaire serait un bon moyen de rajeunir leur base de clientèle et de créer un intérêt.

Une autre chose qui serait plus vendeur, c’est qu’il serait bien que Mark Weightman soit plus visible et audible lors des communications publiques des Alouettes. Puisque le contingent de joueurs et d’entraîneurs parlant français est très limité, Weightman semble être celui qui peut compenser. Si par ailleurs d’autres membre du personnel pouvaient également s’investir de ce côté, ça imprimerait une image de l’équipe plus à la mesure de celle de la ville. Depuis le temps qu’il travaille à Montréal et comme il risque d’y travailler pour plusieurs années encore, Jim Popp aurait pu apprendre à parler français, seulement pour contribuer davantage à vendre l’équipe dans cette province. Si la popularité de l’équipe est en déclin depuis le départ de Larry Smith, c’est en bonne partie dû au fait que plusieurs de ceux qui font l’identité de l’équipe ne parlent pas français. Weightman le fait très bien, mais il demeure qu’il est peu connu du public (contrairement à Smith) et que d’autres figures connues de l’équipe pourraient mettre l’épaule à la roue pour jouer un rôle de ce côté.

Ce n’est pas une question politique, c’est une question d’affaires.

It makes me laugh so hard when people talk about the return of the Expos.

Which brings me to a thought I`ve had in the back of my ever shrinking mind. Would the team benefit from an acceptance, marketing and attendance standpoint if they represented and were named for the entire province of Quebec?
Expos kind of tried that with the fleur de lys on their jerseys. The rest is history.

Let me make a sweeping generalization here: Quebecois sports fans will only massively support a winner, and the Habs have a historical lock on being winners. This is not to offend, I'm francophone, it's simply the very strong historical trend and part of the culture here.

Here's another sweeping generalization: The Anglo mentality is closer to the American mentality of unconditional support to the home team. So the key for the Als survival is to entice enough of the Anglo community to support it through the lean years (like now), and the francophone fans will follow by filling the stadium when things go better.

Evidence to support my theory: When the Als and Expos played in the Big O, anglo fans eventually didn't bother attending, the teams weren't winning at the time and the barren stadium atmosphere fed on itself.

Another issue is the Quebec media, that to make a buck would rather feature a front-page spread on the impact of nasal hairs on the tans of Hamilton bulldog rookies during the off-season, rather than cover yesterday's Als victory.

Your bang on. The other problem with the Franco component "C'est des suiveux". All it takes is a couple grey beard overpaid reporters to give them their marching orders.

Je crois que la réalité est plus complexe que ces réductions simplistes. Je dirais surtout que le Québec a beaucoup changé.

Le Canadien demeurera toujours le club qui va mobiliser les montréalais parce qu'il a une histoire de succès, parce qu'il fait partie du symbole du réveil des québécois. Il aura toujours ce rayonnement parce qu'il est l'évènement sportif qui aide à vendre sa salade auprès de clients ou fournisseurs. C'est le gros show de la ville.

Mais depuis les années '70, le sport a toujours plus de compétition à Montréal. La diversité des événements culturels, la multiplication des endroits de socialisation, et l'accroissement d'une proportion de la population pour qui les sports nord-américains sont étrangers à sa culture font se répartir davantage le dollar de divertissement. Contrairement aux USA, beaucoup de gens qui émigrent ici n'aspirent pas à devenir canadiens, mais veulent vivre leur culture ici plus en sécurité qu'ils ne pourraient le faire chez eux. Contrairement aux USA, la grande majorité de ces gens ne cherche pas l'acceptation sociale par émulation des comportements culturels du pays parce qu'ils ont comme aspiration de garder leur culture, leur mode de vie, leur façon de penser en gardant une relative distance avec la culture locale. Leurs rejetons qui adhéreront à la culture locale et qui vont vouloir emprunter le chemin de s'identifier à une équipe sportive vont d'abord vers la grosse affaire de la place, et ça, c'est le Canadien.

Donc, si en termes de nombre la population de Montréal et de ses environs est en croissance, le bassin de supporteurs naturels pour les Alouettes, en termes réels, diminue, et il se dilue par la croissance de l'offre de divertissement. Je ne parlerai pas du recul du revenu disponible des ménages, qui est encore aujourd'hui celui qu'ils avaient en 1996.

C'est pourquoi les Alouettes devront continuer de construire leurs supporteurs par leur implication sociale, particulièrement auprès des jeunes du secondaire. Le football scolaire est encore en croissance au Québec parce qu'il a été intégré comme un outil pour lutter contre le décrochage scolaire. Si les Alouettes veulent continuer de bâtir leur bassin de supporteurs, leur implication auprès de ceux que le football allume déjà demeure le meilleur endroit.

I believe the Habs are bigger than just a hockey team. When I moved to Niagara I was quite surprised to find that many of my co workers were Habs fans. I would bet that the thousands who migrated from Quebec, at the time of the FLQ or, the period when Lesveque's Parti Quebec won a Quebec election, these fans have retained their support for the Habs. Just around the period of Spring 1971 when I arrived in Ontario the Habs and Bruins were in the final game of the Stanley Cup and, the Bruins were not the favored team here.
I have a son, born in Niagara Falls who was in early teens a Hab supporter, at present, while living in Auckland New Zealand, he has arranged, via the internet, to view each Hab game. A second son, now living in Calgary, is also a great Hab fan. Now his son age 6 has become interested in sports and, you bet, he also follows both the Habs and the Alouettes. THe Habs have a long storied reputation with greatness in hockey and there is great support for this team outside of Quebec.

Are you calling us simpletons ? :lol: Maudit LeStaf :stuck_out_tongue:

Je parlais des arguments et non des personnes.

Si j'avais parlé des personnes, j'aurais écrit "des réductions de simplistes".

Je crois que les causes de la baisse du support des équipes de sport à Montréal sont plus multiples et complexes. À mon sens, le désarroi de Saputo quand au support de son équipe de soccer en est l'exemple le plus frappant. Meme un homme d'affaires aguerri et bien nanti tant en fric qu'en contacts comme lui ne l'a pas vu venir. Moi non plus, d'ailleurs.

The Impact being a crappy team isn't helping them at all. As for the Als I have no idea what happened, it seems as though upgrading Percival Molson by 5,000 seats is actually hurting more than helping. Montreal is very much a Habs town, but IMO the Impact and Alouettes should be able to find a successful niche market.

Calvillo retired, Trestman left, and the once-dominating Als became an average team.

I'll add that it started in 2013 when Trestman's replacement inspired no confidence, not even making it to midseason, and even before AC went down the offence sputtered; then in 2014 "Mr. Personality" was hired (seemingly) the day before TC, the first major thing he did was fire his handpicked OC, and the designated starting QB then fell flat.

Als need some stability, seem to have it for the moment, and to play competitive and entertaining football to start the season. Hopefully with that they will start to win back some of the disillusioned.

Started after 2008 IMO, went from $6 million in corporate sponsorship to just under $3 million. Then went from 18,000 season ticket holders to 15,000 and continued to drop.

Not that I was a fan of his but I have to admit that the team lost its biggest salesman and a lot of media goodwill when Larry Smith left in less than cordial terms.

Also the re-emergence of the Habs in there as well.

Bingo !

When Smith was around, the Als always seemed to have some presence be it on the radio, tv, billboards, in the community ; English or French !
Since his departure, rarely do I hear or see anything about the Als.
Think we covered this topic on more than one occasion. The Als use to go into the schools in the off season. What a great way to reach out to the younger generation whom the CFL sadly miss right about now.
Go to the Als website. It does not show anything about the Als visiting schools this off season.

Weightman, the last time I heard anything from him was when he was on the local radio stations (both English and French) practically begging people to buy tickets to the playoff game last year. Never heard him before that or since.

The term "Out of Sight Out of Mind" seems fitting over the last year or two I would say.

Le Club de Football Canadien?

No other CFL team is involved in the Community as the Alouettes are. They visit schools,hospitals, prepare junior football camps,etc., etc. In 2014 they visited 120 schools and reached to 600,000 students.

They are involved again this season. The players involved in the 2015 visit school program are: Luc Brodeur-Jourdain, Josh Bourke, John Bowman -he visited a school last week and reached to 700 students- Martin Bédard, Eric Deslauriers,Kristian Matte,Kyries Hebert,Nicolas Boulay and Jerald Brown. Go to Community on Als site to know more.

Results on the field for the past 2 to 3 seasons, construction/problems to get to stadium are the main factors explaining the fan decline .

In this off-season, no team has been as active as the Alouettes in player re-signings or signings.

Richard

Think it is 60000 students.

Not sure why they do not post which schools are being visited for 2015.

This is only part of the reason for the decline. Add to that the turnstile of HC's since Trestman left, AC retiring, performance on the field, promotion of the team (lack thereof) as well for the fan decline.

I'm glad you said Montreal is a "Canadiens city" and not a "hockey city."

I'm sick of hearing this bullshit about Montreal being a "hockey city." It isn't.

Junior hockey has repeatedly failed here. And in a supposedly hockey-mad city nobody will pay $10 to see decent-quality hockey like the CIS. I'm taking the nephews to see Concordia vs. McGill on Friday and would be shocked if 300 people showed up.

I'm also sick of picking up the Journal, La Presse and the Gazette in August only to read endless (and pointless) stories about an optional skate the Habs rookies had at the practice facility in Brossard...

Look, Montreal is what it is -- that is, a vibrant metropolis with plenty of other things for folks to do besides take in sports. You don't like it? Try living in some hick town where football is the ONLY thing and the average idea of culture is discussing the halftime act at the Grey Cup / Superbowl / whatever.

I haven't lived in Montreal in almost seven years, and I miss it a lot. I'd put Montreal up against most cities any day.

If there’s a hockey city in Canada, it’s got to be Trawno. Year after year, Leafs fans are out there with their license plates and their flags, and this despite the systematic, decades-long failure of the team to even remotely resemble a professional hockey club. Leafs fans are hands down the best hockey fans in the world.