Lateset News On Potential Halifax Stadium

Although Scotiabank has its roots in Halifax, they are pretty much now a fully Toronto-based bank. And as a publicly traded company their shareholders would probably not accept a contribution to a stadium as it's money they forego as a dividend (same reason why no other stadium in Canada really gets contributions like this). They only contribute if they get naming rights, and those wouldn't go for a huge amount.

McCain and Irving are private though I believe, and they could really do something good for the region, but they've had plenty of money for decades now and have never really pursued anything like this before, so I'm sceptical that they would suddenly change their tone. Even in Saskatchewan where we have a team that is a pretty central to our provincial fabric, we can't really get any corporate support unless it's tied to some sort of naming rights thing. Sad, but that's the way it goes in Canada. No company is interested in just donating money for sports infrastructure like this, and our billionaires/multi-millionaires don't generally want to touch the CFL.

Good news.

I’m looking forward to flying out to Halifax for a Vanier Cup

This:

Or this:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/canada/new_brunswick/moncton_stadium.jpg

Both of which have hosted regular season CFL games.

You probably shouldn't hide your questions within the quotes...

But I think the first stadium is Tempire... i.e. not a permanent stadium solution. And the second isn't exactly CFL standard... They have to bring in a bunch of temp seating just for regular season games.

Dead on.

The Tempire Stadium was largely responsible for a huge drop in attendance for the Lions (a large market with an established CFL tradition). It would have disaster written all over it in a market like Halifax. Also, judging by the bungling of the local government, I agree with the notion they wouldn't do any meaningful expansion and be left with a glorified highschool stadium which could damage the market for CFL success.

I think everyone will be surprised that a stadium will be built in Halifax that will be of CFL standards. Here is a stadium that was built in Canada 5 years ago that a CFL team was interested in making their home stadium but were squeezed out for someone's personal agenda. A very similar stadium with some minor adjustments could be built in the HMR and for a reasonable price. Much like Pan Am Stadium it does not have a roof. LOL. It has 30 luxury suites it is intimate with the seats close to the field. Everything that is needed for modern stadium in the new CFL ERA of success

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibition_Place_Stadium

Check the Price it would cost if it were built in 2012
The Glass used to be half empty when it came to a stadium in Halifax
With so many different options in stadiums the glass is half full.

Your examples are laughable. The first is a temporary stadium that would last 5 years at most, and the second is wholly inadequate as a permanent home for a CFL team. It would need serious upgrades to be anywhere near ready. So my original point stands. For $20M you will not get much.

Was going to quote this post as great.

But now must say, you're wrong.

Hopefully $20 million gets them the land as well.

Actually over the past 5 years a lot has changed that makes the situation much different than even 5 years ago.

First, the MLS and the CFL have the same plan when it comes to stadiums for their leagues. An intimate stadium that will seat about 25,000

Second, the MLS is very interested in expanding into Canada

Third, FIFA has changed its policy of only holding FIFA sanctioned events exclusively on natural grass fields. This is a very recent development and all of the new stadiums that are being built in Canada will have the specific field turf that is required by FIFA.

Fourth, The popularity of the CFL and football in general is at an all time high and have recently added a whole new fan base in Quebec by the success of the grass roots levels through CEGAP, three Francophone Universities all finishing in the top ten again this season, and the Addition of televising all of the Montreal Alouettes games on french sports network RDS.

Fifth, this leaves the Atlantic Region the only Region in Canada without a pro football franchise.( Remember the Alouettes were gone for about 20 years and it has only become a major factor for the province over the last 5 years. When they first moved the Baltimore franchise back to Montreal it took some time and some changes in the sports culture before they became popular that began with Laval U, then the move to Mcgill and out of the Big O for the ALS, the addition of two more francophine University programs, and finally televising all the Montreal games on French sportsnet RDS

Fifth, soccer has never been more popular in North America at the professional and international levels both in the US and now in Canada

Sixth, The FIFA Womens World cup will be held in Canada in 2015 preceded by the U 20 World cup in 2014.

Seventh, the Canadian Womens Soccer team is fresh of a Bronze medal in the Olympics and will have both the World Cup and the Pan Am games in back to back months the summer of 2015. The Women's National team has become a major player in international soccer.

None of this was in place in 2006.

Plus the Atlantic Region is a beautiful place with all kinds of tourist summer attractions that would be an attractive place for
Soccer Canada to host international friendlies.

It is not just about the CFL anymore. It will not be a stadium that will be used for just 9 football games a year and have no other events to be used for. So the attraction of Building a proper stadium that will both meet FIFA, MLS, and CFL standards is much more important now.

Currently Canada Soccers home training center is in Toronto at BMO field where they did contribute to the building of BMO field. With the Women's Soccer program on a whole different and Higher level than the Mens program and the revenue it will generate from the U 20 World cup in 2014 and the Senior World Cup in 2015 the Women's program may be looking for their own home facility and where better than in the beautiful Atlantic Region. With an' 'A' stadium in Halifax and a 'B' stadium in Moncton.

I find Mayor Savage's statements encouraging.
In the few weeks that he has been on the job, city staff would have presented various files, including the stadium file, so he can be up to speed on council business. Savage must see potential in the stadium file. There would otherwise be no reason for him to go public supporting a stadium at this time.
With previous Mayor Kelly, he would seemingly bring up the stadium issue at certain times to take attention away from other issues that were causing him problems. Mayor Savage hasn't been in office long enough to screw anything up, nor is he using the stadium issue in an election campaign. My hope is that Mayor Savage uses his position to bring the stadium issue to the next provincial election, which will likley happen next year.
I am also encouraged by the fact that the focus now seems entirely on Shannon Park. St. Mary's has stated that they will not play out of a stadium at Shannon Park. IMO, that means that it is more likely that the stadium is being pursued with the CFL in mind. A development deal alongs the line of Lansdowne Park could be pursued at Shannon Park, and it seems Defence Minister Peter MacKay is still interested in turning the property over to the city if an agreement can be reached between the city, the province, and the private interests that pushed former Mayor Kelly into this in the first place.

The new Mayor is a smart man as the stadium is no longer just for football anymore but soccer as well. The Atlantic Region is wide open for a sports market to build. Before the Mooseheads there was not even any Junior Hockey and now the region consists of its own division. The Arena in Halifax has brought in an NBL team. A proper 25,000 seat stadium has more than jus CFL possibilities but international soccer as well as bringing the NASL or eventually a MLS team into the HMR
As for Saint Mary's it first would not be an ideal place for bulding a stadium for access and Saint Mary's does not want a 25,000 seat stadium on their campus so building a lesser size stadium that Saint Mary's wants they would be the only ones to really use it.
I find it interesting that it is brought up now right before the 100th Grey cup as Cohon had said there would be no expansion business going on for a 10th team until after CUP 100 but after that now that the Ottawa project is a go and both Hamilton and Regina projects are a go expansion to team ten will become the leagues priority as everything else that Cohon has wanted done has or is set to be accomplished.

St-Mary's can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. They are constantly complaining about money yet they spend money frivolously. They just entered into a single source contract with Steelcase by far the most expensive commercial furniture manufacturer in North America instead of purchasing office furniture with a tender system and buying Canadian made products which are much cheaper. Now they thumb their nose at a community owned and built stadium. They better not ask subsidies to refurbish their little nest...

Correct. They would be the only ones using the stadium and were ok to take the money as long as it was theirs and theirs only. There is no space for a proper stadium on campus and it is in one of the quietest most upscale area in Halifax. Worst place you could put a community stadium.

I'm not just alking about 5 years ago (although they botched that in epic proportions not only for themselves, but for Hamilton as well) :wink: Actually, they also botched a "build a stadium movement" less than a year ago. (BTW that was for the Womens World Cup so the presence of that particular event meant absolutely nothing towards the construction of the stadium). In fact, all they did was go around with no firm commitment from any senior level of government and waste everyone's time with promises they had no intention of keeping and in the end recommended bowing out of the bidding for the Womens World Cup (just like they did back for the Commonwealth Games bid).

Also, the recent success of the Women's soccer team also means nothing to a new stadium in Halifax. The government will not fund money for a stadium and besides, there is little to no chance the woman would make Halifax their home anyhow. The chances of the MLS locating there is somewhere between zero & less than zero.

FIFA has approved artificial surfaces for almost a decade now so that is hardly news. In fact Canada hosted the under 21 World cup using field turf fields back in 2007.

The popularity of football in Quebec is completely irrelevant to a stadium cause in Halifax.

The Maritimes have been without pro football for well over a century now so that also is nothing new to anyone. No stadium movement has even come close to getting one built.

Finally, no matter how well the women do in the next world cup, it doesn't mean a hill of beans towards the construction of a new stadium. The federal government rightly or wrongly gave money towards the construction of BMO Field explicitly for the CSA. That "gift" covered BOTH men and women. They will not be building a home stadium for each. Even if they did decide to build another stadium, the Maritimes would remain a longshot to land it anyways.

You are entitled to you opinion of course as am I. Only time will tell who is right. the one thing the last botched move did that has never been done was to have an official study of potential sites and the Shannon Park site actually looks to have some backing. SO as I said things are much different now. Im sure you will have a comeback and nit pick my opinions to death as many do when talking about new and different things. What makes me beleive it will happen is that Cohon wants it to happen as the 10th team in Halifax is the last thing on his agenda.
over the last 20 years in Canada sporting scene there were a cuple of laughable things that everyone said will never happen it couldnt work forget it your crazy it will fold and go under Blah blah blah.
But yes a sales Manager fromMoosehead got the first Junior Hockey team in the Atlantic region and now they have their own division of teams in the Quebec Juniorss.
One man at in Quebec City envisioned a franco school where french speking players from quebec could thrive with no language Barrier and they have became a powerhouse within the same 5 year span in which everyone said they would fold up and be an embarresed. Now there are tow other schools in Quebec that ar now 10 years in and both have become top ten CIS teams. Oh yeah after 20 years without a football team because they did not have enough fan support Montreal Als now hav among the best fan support by simply televisin their games on the french sports network RDS.
I will wait for your reply as you pick apart all of these things.
Have a nice day :smiley:

I think a stadium will be built at some point in Halifax but it won't be for at least ten years and that's if the economy picks up in Atlantic Canada and the city and province both clean up their finances and that is a real longshot.

Most of what you say is accurate, (in this last post anyways) however unfortunately they have nothing to do with a stadium in Halifax. A college team in Quebec has no bearing on the stadium situation in Halifax., Mark Cohon's desire to expand is nothing new. The league has shown a desire to expand to the Maritimes since the late 60's. Yes, they did conduct a study, however without at least some hope for funding, it doesn't mean much. Anybody can commission a study. Not to mention, all the study stated was that the stadium needed to be used a lot to be useful (no kidding? :roll: ). Even the study said that anything over 15,000 seats would cost too much and would need government help for more. Until the chequebooks come out, it means next to nothing. While the studies were being conducted it was also revealed that the Shannon Park site would need additional funds to improve access to the site as well as some soil remediation for the site itself. It didn't help any that one city councilor Sue Uteck pushed for stadium re-construction at St. Mary's with seating for no more than 10,000. With such division in government, there's little chance anything will get built.

As for the Mooseheads & Laval, the common thread there was the presence of someone (in the form of a person or business) who was willing to finance most if not all of venture and operating expenses. (investments of under $10 million with a high probability of return or in the worst case, not a significant loss). A stadium would cost many times more that any at best would be a poor investment, that's why you need government help to get them built. As of now, none of that exists in Halifax.

Most of what you say is accurate, (in this last post anyways) however unfortunately they have nothing to do with a stadium in Halifax. A college team in Quebec has no bearing on the stadium situation in Halifax., Mark Cohon’s desire to expand is nothing new. The league has shown a desire to expand to the Maritimes since the late 60’s. Yes, they did conduct a study, however without at least some hope for funding, it doesn’t mean much. Anybody can commission a study. Not to mention, all the study stated was that the stadium needed to be used a lot to be useful (no kidding? :roll: ). Even the study said that anything over 15,000 seats would cost too much and would need government help for more. Until the chequebooks come out, it means next to nothing. While the studies were being conducted it was also revealed that the Shannon Park site would need additional funds to improve access to the site as well as some soil remediation for the site itself. It didn’t help any that one city councilor Sue Uteck pushed for stadium re-construction at St. Mary’s with seating for no more than 10,000. With such division in government, there’s little chance anything will get built.

As for the Mooseheads & Laval, the common thread there was the presence of someone (in the form of a person or business) who was willing to finance most if not all of venture and operating expenses. (investments of under $10 million with a high probability of return or in the worst case, not a significant loss). A stadium would cost many times more that any at best would be a poor investment, that’s why you need government help to get them built. As of now, none of that exists in Halifax.

Now will that change? That remains to be seen but I think we all hope it will