Lansdowne Live! New discussions on updated proposal

That's hott. I like it!

Well, it'll make it harder for those in the neighborhood to argue that having a stadium in the area just uglies things up. It may help contain the noise as well.

wow!!! what's Clive going to say now? These architects are saying all the right things, Clive language too!!

"Its most striking feature is a sinuous $7.5-million “veil? of glued laminated Alaskan yellow cedar that rises up from behind new southside stands and curls over the top, creating a flowing system of enclosure and roofing.
Claiborne uses the same veil motif at the entrances to the northside stands. It recurs as well behind the end zone scoreboard, creating a bandstand that could be used during outdoor concerts in Lansdowne Park’s proposed “front lawn? urban park"

Clive gets his "front Lawn" Urban Park - he'll be able to sit there in his Lycra bike shorts enjoying the "sinuous veil of glued laminated alaskan yellow cedar

Whoa, Doucet in lycra bike shorts...not easy on the mind's eye... :expressionless:

Now that's juuuussssstttt great!!!!!!!!! Now I got that image stuck in my head!!!!!!!!!!! Thansk a lot!!!!!!!! :? :? :roll: :roll:


Good to know that the review panel is happy so far.

As Lansdowne plan evolves, experts’ optimism grows
Members of the review panel overseeing the design of the Lansdowne Park redevelopment were initially unimpressed by plans for the site. But now the trio is feeling positive about several elements of the project.

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By Don Butler, The Ottawa Citizen
May 10, 2010 1:02 AM

[i]OTTAWA — As first conceived, Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group’s Lansdowne Live proposal fell sadly short of the mark. It was a “theme park.? It “wasn’t sophisticated enough.? It was “a big mistake.? It “just wasn’t good enough.?

Those quotes don’t come from the Lansdowne redevelopment’s implacable foes in the Glebe. They are the sentiments of the three distinguished members of the design review panel chosen to advise city council on the project’s suitability.

But the Lansdowne plan has evolved considerably since George Dark, Marianne McKenna and Rick Haldenby were appointed to the review panel last November.

In interviews late last month, the three complimented city staff, heaped praise on the proposed design for a renewed Frank Clair Stadium and spoke glowingly about the five firms competing to design Lansdowne’s proposed “urban park.?

They even had nice things to say about the developers.

While the Lansdowne design is still a work in progress, panel members now believe something memorable is possible on a site that’s currently little more than a parking lot engulfing a few deteriorating buildings.

“The challenge was always to apply some imagination to this project that was going to lead it to a singular solution that would make Ottawa proud,? says Haldenby, who heads the University of Waterloo’s school of architecture.

“All of us are kind of fixed on trying to get this right. That’s the main thing, is trying to get it right, trying to push the designers to get the best possible project.?

Dark, the Toronto urban designer who chairs the panel, believes Lansdowne should rival celebrated sites such as Vancouver’s Granville Island, The Forks in Winnipeg and Montreal’s Old Port.

“This is your chance to really distinguish yourself with a civic asset. It’s perfectly located. It’s by the canal. It should be a really special place.?

Though some have likened a renewed Lansdowne to a pearl along the Rideau Canal, Dark says that analogy doesn’t capture its potential value. “I think this could be a diamond.?

The third panel member, Marianne McKenna — the “M? in the architectural firm KPMG — has just finished designing the new Royal Conservatory of Music building in Toronto.

“Ottawa certainly is fertile for reinvestment in a great national urban park,? McKenna says. “The bar should be set that high. And that’s what we’re looking for.

“We believe everybody can do their best work and, with the support of the design review panel, get something great for Ottawa.?

The design competition for Lansdowne’s urban park has attracted five of the best landscape architects in the world, Dark says. “It’s one of the best open-space competitions going on in North America currently.?

Dark and McKenna are on the jury that will pick the winning design. And, Dark predicts, there will be a clear winner. “One of them will be quite a bit above the rest.?

The firms in the competition won’t get everything right, he warns. “But they’re going to show you something you haven’t seen before. They’re going to bring you ideas from all over the world and put them down on the Rideau Canal.?

Though he’s a Toronto native who now lives in Kitchener, Haldenby has spent time in Ottawa. As a child, he regularly visited his grandfather, Ross Macdonald, who was speaker of the House of Commons and later government leader in the Senate.

As a student, he did measured drawings of O’Brien House at Meech Lake for the NCC in the 1970s, when the fate of the historic Aberdeen Pavilion — now Lansdowne’s crown jewel — hung in the balance. “I just have a deep attachment to Ottawa,? he says.

Judging by e-mails he receives, Haldenby says some people in Ottawa seem convinced the city is bent on destroying Lansdowne Park.

However, he says, “my experience is quite the opposite. I’ve found, from the city’s side, they’re really trying to get this right.?

Panel members have been encouraged to speak their minds directly and forcefully, Haldenby says. “That’s come from the city, and I am really very pleased.?

City officials, Dark says, have “released huge intellectual power on this thing. It’s really remarkable. There is a huge amount of thinking that’s going on.?

Like the rest of Ottawa, the panel won’t see the urban park designs until the competition closes on May 20, but the three have held four or five “peer review? sessions with Ottawa architects Barry Hobin and Ritchard Brisbin, who are designing the commercial elements of the project, and stadium architect Rob Claiborne of Cannon Design in Toronto.

“They’re trying to convince us that they’re doing the right thing, and we ask questions and push them on things,? Haldenby says.

The architects “need to be encouraged and supported to do their best work,? Mckenna says. The panel can help by advocating bolder ideas with developers, who “often don’t want to think outside the box.?

McKenna has been impressed, though, by OSEG developers Roger Greenberg, John Ruddy, Bill Shenkman and Jeff Hunt. “I have the sense that these developers are listening,? she says. “I think that’s a positive start.?

At one point, McKenna says someone asked if the developers should be present for the design review sessions. “I said, ‘like, yeah.’ If they’re actually part of the process, it makes it much more interesting, much more possible that the best initiatives will be the ones that stay in there.?

So far, Claiborne’s stadium design has generated the most enthusiasm among panel members.

Conceptual drawings show a stadium that merges seamlessly with surrounding parkland to the south and east, and has connections to Bank Street and the proposed commercial development to the north.

Its most striking feature is a curvaceous “veil? of glued laminated Alaskan yellow cedar that encloses new southside stands.

Dark believes the stadium should be an icon, like the “Bird’s Nest? stadium in Beijing or the Richmond Oval built for the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. “It seems to me that this one’s going to be yours,? he says. “It will be just as cool.?

Haldenby calls Claiborne’s stadium design “very promising — that whole idea of seeing a stadium that isn’t an isolated thing with walls around it.?

McKenna agrees. “A stadium can be a great behemoth,? she says. “You just hear a great sucking sound when it’s active, and the rest of the time it’s just dead.

“My big thing is, ‘Can a river run through it?’ How do you send a green path through the stadium so it becomes something you actually can walk through? You walk through, and it’s like walking through the Coliseum.?

Claiborne’s design acknowledges that objective by allowing pedestrians and cyclists to weave through the stadium’s veil. “It’s interesting how they’re interpreting what we have asked for,? McKenna says. “I think it’s coming along quite nicely.?

Panelists aren’t yet as keen on what they’ve seen of the commercial component being designed by Hobin and Brisbin for the Lansdowne Park’s northwest quadrant.

“If you ask me today what part still gives me concern,? Haldenby says, “it’s the retail part. I just haven’t seen what it is architecturally.?

However, Haldenby adds, there was “a huge amount of progress? at the last design review session. “What we’re looking at now is much more complex, much more urban, has much greater diversity of use and form.?

Dark blames the “narrow-minded? influence of commercial real-estate specialists for the retail design’s slow start.

“Commercial real estate people actually were allowed to make too many decisions about too many things for too long,? he says. “Once that got released, it launched ahead very quickly.?

The design panel is looking for something special from the commercial component. “I just don’t think it should be an ordinary experience,? Dark says. “You have a lot of shopping malls. I don’t think you need another one.?

Dark visualizes a mixed use development of several stories, with commercial activities not generally found in Ottawa at ground level, and housing or other uses above.

“It has to be a mixed use, very authentic part of the city or it will be a little artificial,? he says. “The more it’s single-purpose retail, the more I think it’s a shopping mall.?

McKenna thinks extending the city’s street grid into Lansdowne’s commercial zone makes sense, while Haldenby believes distinctive architecture is key. “If we end up with a standard big box shopping mall with buildings that are no better than signs, then we’ve failed,? he says.

The three panelists continue to meet regularly with OSEG’s architectural team, whose designs are expected to be made public on May 27. “Our responsibility is to the people of Ottawa to push the designers and the proponents to get a project that is appropriate,? Haldenby says.

Once a winner is declared in the urban park competition June 7, the two design teams will be integrated. The review panel will then assess the whole project and deliver its verdict to city council before its vote on June 28.

“It would be good if we could be as simple and straightforward as possible,? Haldenby says, but the panel’s judgment is unlikely to be a blanket thumbs up or thumbs down.

“Our job is not simply to say, yeah, people worked on it for six months and there it is, and it’s fine,? Dark says. “If the project has missing pieces, I think we have a responsibility to tell what they are.?

There will be flaws, he says. “If anybody’s setting up the expectation that this little moment of perfection will be delivered, they’re going to be very disappointed.?

But that doesn’t necessarily mean the project should be abandoned, Dark says. “Part of what I see going on now is you get people who will pull any little piece out of it and declare it fatal. Seldom does the world work that way.?

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i've been pro ottawa getting a stadium but after seeing those concept photos i must say i'm now completely opposed. Who would want something that looks that good in their city. Total eyesore, since your eyes will actually get sore from not being able to take your eyes off how nice it looks. Sheesh. I cant imagine anyone wanting to spend a nice summer afternoon or evening watching a CFL game in that.

Wow, awesome renditions!! :thup:

very very exciting stuff!
can't wait!