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I guess it all depends on who is selling the most shirts , the guy spewing hate speech or the guy selling dope ?

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It was not hate speech because IMHO for hate speech you have to have the intention of not helping anyone with such speech and actually wanting to cause them harm and is what he thinks, again IMHO, he was doing. Helping people to rid themselves of behaviour that won’t get them to eternal life in the Christian heaven which is what a true Christian actually believes is best for himself and everyone. It is the exact opposite of harm he was doing in his mind, I believe. That cannot and should not be construed as hate speech. Look, it’s a matter of perspective here and we can agree to disagree on this, not a problem.

You may misunderstand me.

I don’t disagree with you that he is a bogus Christian by not being loving, accepting and forgiving, if I undertsand you correctly.

But the hate speech for me comes in when he slags an entire class of people (LGTBQ+ and women) as inferiors. It would make no difference if he said blacks or hispanics or Jews. that is the hate speech as I see it.

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Interpreted as promoting division, as the Benedictine’s mention here on Facebook, yes. Did he use the word ‘inferior’? And if did, using it as a word to describe behaviour would be different than actually meaning that such a person is inferior to another based on whatever beliefs, skin colour, nationality etc. Example, my behaviour on this site has been inferior in the past and I agree I should have been banned by such behavior for a time. But in no way did I or do believe the mods here believe I’m inferior as to who I am compared with anyone else on the planet, not at all:

"As a founding institution and sponsor of Benedictine College, the sisters of Mount St. Scholastica find it necessary to respond to the controversial remarks of Harrison Butker as commencement speaker.
“The Sisters of Mt. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.
“Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers, and through their God-given talents in leadership, scholarship and their careers.
“Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be ‘homemakers’ in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves.
“We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.
“We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.”

I’m not sure we disagree on anything here Aerial.

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You have an excellent point. It’s quite plausible the Benedictine’s actually mean in some form or another, weak form perhaps, ‘hate’ when they mention ‘division’. They don’t want to use the word ‘hate’ as this is a very loaded word of course, so they use the word ‘division’ a soft form of ‘hate’ perhaps. When you have two people, for example, that are in love with each other and a regime, say like the Nazis, divide these people so one goes to one concentration camp and the other to a different concentration camp, well then hate will surely ensue towards the Nazis more than ever from those being divided. Division entails separation and in this case, the last thing the Benedictine’s is wanting more division within the Catholic community so that anything or anyone with such actions or speech is actually promoting, if you will, some form of hate, weak or otherwise and spoken in whatever other terms referencing this mindset.

I get this. I’m sure some Catholics actually hate Butker in some form or another for causing more division within the Catholic community than need be. Hate is a word often used loosely though, like a youngster towards their parents when the parents say you can’t go to that party for whatever reason and the kid really wants to go so the kid lashes out “I hate you”. Many of us have told our parents this but this is a very soft form of the word ‘hate’ of course. But then there is a very legal form of the word ‘hate’ as in ‘hate speech’. This is very different. Very different than I can say I hate such and such coach for making this decision that cost my team to win this game and they lose. Nothing legal about that. But yes, Butker was contributing to or causing more hatred with a divisive speech like that, I must agree with that stance. I’m sure there are a lot of devoted Christians who want nothing to do with this man after that speech.

Come to think of it, words are weird and how they are used in language. Very weird. Next life I want to come back as a bird, flying free etc. and not worrying about language etc like humans do. Certainly not a human when I think about it.

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An excellent speech here by public figure and commentator Sally Kohn. (this may not be the appropriate spot for this video I’ll admit so mods delete or move if you feel so)

You know it’s bad when not only did the voters of Jackson County, MO give the Chiefs the double-bird on their proposed sales tax increase, but also the NFLPA has voted and has also done so in ranking the owners and Clark Hunt the lowest of the 32.

A team that wins two championships in a row who is activating this much local disapproval has to be doing an awful lot wrong, and everything points rightfully to the top.

But Chris Jones feels strongly the other way apparently as probably do many players on the Chiefs.

Meanwhile, that Travis Kelce talks about what he is going to do after his career when he’s not doing more generally stupid commercials.
And why now? Has he been hanging out with that Aaron Rodgers?

If somebody is talking about something a lot, they are going to do it sooner than not.

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Cheeky idea too

Butker will be kicking Pats and field goals only this year . The Chiefs are protecting him from hits on kickoffs . The players will probably treat him like your crazy uncle at Xmas . What’s the weird dude going to say to embarrass himself and family members ?

Uh, no not exactly, and there’s far more to it as noted in the article.

Now I wonder if there will be copycats and of course others trying other strategies rather than just kicking it off like usual but not for a touchback.