Just wondering who all is going tonight, ill see you there! :rockin:
Not sure it's worth going to.
I imagine all they'll vote on is to give staff the direction to study the new plan for the next meeting on January 26th
I've been watching City Council on Cable 14 and many on the pro-WH side (McHattie, Pearson, etc) continue to deflect blame for this debacle. It's funny to watch some ride the fence, dissing the TiCats in one breath and talking of being big fans and the importance of the team.
They keep pointing out how the TiCats, now accepting IW2, suddenly don't consider 6,000 parking spots, highway access, visibility, etc important…. basically casting the TiCats as the villains.
We wouldn't be in this position and the TiCats wouldn't need to being making such a compromise if some on Council would get their heads out if their butts, have open minds (for a change) and do what's best for the City rather than their wards or unbending ideological views.
It also seems that the Gallery is full of pro-WH, RTH types as anyone who disses the Cats and/or the IW2 proposal is roundly applauded ("radical" pro-WH supporter Graham Crawford is front and centre, shaking his head in disgust and disagreement at anything positive being said about IW2).
Oops… Pasuta just made an ass of himself dissing the TiCats as just being a "tenant", which he emphasized a number of times to applause from the peanut-head gallery.
What a bunch of "jokers" (this being a family web site).
I am very glad I don't get cable 14 here in Cambridge, sounds like it would just upset me.
Like I said in another thread. Council is a dysfunctional family, where individual member dig their heals in and have to be right rather then see the benefit of working together.
If they veto this, I will love to be the one writing in the Spec 3 years from now when Burlington is hosting a Grey Cup and enjoying the success of a new stadium saying. Way to go Hamilton Council, see what your arguing and short sighted attitude got you. The reality is though they will keep on doing this because they are bad visionaries and only see what's infront of their nose and do what their puppet masters want them to do.
If they don't approve this, then it is viamently clear they (the council not the citizens) do not want the Ticats in Hamilton.
There is no way they can vote this down. If one councilor says no, I would be very surprised.
I wouldn't want to bet a penny on this thing passing. Especially with the wh group shouting and clapping in the back ground. I sure would like to know who is pulling the WH strings. Something just doesn't smell right with this group.:?
How can we build at WH? There just is not enough money unless it is a smaller stadium, which we do not need.
I predict BY will come to the table before this is done with some money for WH.
Any word, Emma Reilly's Twitter on the subject is giving me mixed messages. It seems to have gone through council and that they are setting up the West Harbour as a 5,000 seat plan B if it's not to Host Co's satisfaction.http://twitter.com/emmaatthespec
elissapr #PanAm CEO Ian Troop to make statement tomorrow at 10:30 EST at #TO2015 teleconference #HamOnt @EmmaatTheSpec @markhmasters @RickAtThespec 5 minutes ago via web Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec and 4 others
Council is now debating McHattie's Plan B option for a smaller stadium in west harbour. 7 minutes ago via web
timunroe Fave quote of night. RT @EmmaatTheSpec: "We don't know squat. And I think we need to know squat" - Brenda Johnson #PanAm #HamOnt 28 minutes ago via Seesmic Web Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec
"We don't know squat. And I think we need to know squat" - Brenda Johnson #PanAm #HamOnt 35 minutes ago via web
NWestoll View from the Chambers tonight ImageShack - Best place for all of your image hosting and image sharing needs 38 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec
markhmasters Coun. Pasuta thinks it was wrong for Bratina to hold news conf yesterday in #Ticats locker room; shows tenant has too much influence #HamOnt about 1 hour ago via web Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec and 2 others
Pasuta on the #Ticats: "They are a tenant on our property and our land. And I hope they don’t forget that" #PanAm about 1 hour ago via web
Bratina has been very silent throughout this debate. He didn't even say much when he was introducing the motion. #PanAm #Ticats #CFL about 1 hour ago via web
Judi Partridge says she's "deeply concerned about the impact to the taxpayer" #PanAm #HamOnt about 1 hour ago via web
MarkCripps Motion on IW will pass. Looks that way. Very surprising that it's happening this fast about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec and 1 other
"I don't think we've ever put forward a preferred site before doing our homework on it" - Maria Pearson #PanAm #HamOnt about 1 hour ago via web
oklisten McHattie: I'm hearing nothing but disappointment from my constituents. about 1 hour ago via web Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec
JoeyColeman McHattie - I'm not hearing a sigh of relief in #HamOnt about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec
TravLangley @EmmaatTheSpec no point dwelling now, it's over and done. It's bad for you to dwell on the past, take this chance to make it all right. about 1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to EmmaatTheSpec Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec
It looks like it has passed, despite a lot of disappointment and councilors acting indignant at being cut out of the process, and a 5,000 seat backup at the West Harbor as a plan B if it doesn't work out.
This make me nervous.
I agree 100% Chew, not suggesting there is a better plan than iw. Just suggesting something is wrong with this WH nightmare. Fred led the charge, hid the truth and yet a group with no other purpose than to ruin it for all continues to protest the team, city and IW. I want to know who and why this is happening. Especially with a $50 million shortfall for the wh site. This eliminates any consideration of the site, yet we still have a bunch who think $50 million is no issue. Frankly it is the total issue and has been for every other site looked at, leaving IWS as the only alternative.
I hope I am wrong, and IW gets approved tonight.,
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BREAKING - Ivor Wynne passes unanimously#PanAm 15 minutes ago via web
WRT to $50 million shortfall, I am not sure this is correct because the backup plan is a 5k stadium, which I do not believe has been studied or costed out yet somehow passes.
I know, we're getting mix messages here.
Motion on IW will pass. Looks that way. Very surprising that it's happening this fast about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Retweeted by EmmaatTheSpec and 1 other
The motion is now amended to take out Ivor Wynne as preferred location 16 minutes ago via web
BREAKING - Ivor Wynne passes unanimously#PanAm 15 minutes ago via web
I mean, if it's passing unanimously that means Bob Bratina (whose posistion is clearly for Ivor Wynne) must have voted for an Ivor Wynne refit for it to go through. Conversely, what does take out Ivor Wynne as preferred location mean? Take it out from consideration or take it as the preferred location. I also see this plan B, which could mean that this will be a fallback site if HostCo rejects Ivor Wynne or that council has rejected Ivor Wynne and are going to the West Harbour. It's not very clear and seems to be the only live source of this news right now. I'm sure we'll know by tomorrow.
We all know the back up plan is just to silence the WH crowd.8)
I disagree mopar. Lets be honest here, there is still a chance Host Co. will reject Ivor Wynne due there not being any planned transit access (like they did earlier to Burlington's soccer hopes) and falling back to the site the city can make work is better then the money going to the Mississauga.
Edit: and I'm not saying that to try to imply West Harbour or bust, I'm saying that if it happens having a backup plan is prudent.
Here is a good article on what has happened this evening: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/01/ ... vor-wynne/
City councillors on Wednesday night asked for more information before they officially sign off on a stadium deal between Mayor Bob Bratina and the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.
Hamilton council voted unanimously to study a plan to build a new facility where Ivor Wynne Stadium is currently located. City staff will review the proposal and report back to councillors on Jan. 24.
“I’m excited about the concept, don’t get me wrong, but the devil is in the details and I haven’t seen any details at this point,? councillor Terry Whitehead said. “The numbers need to speak for themselves.?
Bratina wanted Ivor Wynne to be labelled Hamilton’s “preferred site,? but his motion was amended to remove that phrase. Some councillors felt that calling Ivor Wynne Stadium, the Canadian Football League team’s current home, the preferred site would weaken the city’s position in negotiations.
Council also approved a motion identifying a 5,000-seat stadium in the West Harbour area as Plan B for its participation in the 2015 Pan-Am Games if the Ivor Wynne plan does not work. The Ticats have vowed never to play at West Harbour.
I will go on record and say IT will flat out turn down a plan B tomorrow at 10:30am. Its IW or nothing for this city.8)
I think because the province got involved in this decision, then they are going to persuade Troop to accept IW as the PREFERRED site
Wow... my world is dissolving around me and hell may be freezing over!!!
I actually agree with and may need to change my position (somewhat... not completely) about Sam Murella.
As a followup speaker, he passionately supported the IW2 proposal and chastised some Councillors (Pasuta in particular) for constantly changing their position and for their negativity and comments.
I think I'm getting my first migraine
I have also been following this via Twitter. Here are interesting tweets from Mark Masters:
Ont. Premier McGuinty will be in #HamOnt tomorrow for a rotary club event; Mayor Bratina will also be in attendance #Ticats #CFL
CEO Ian Troop to make statement tomorrow at 10:30 EST at #TO2015 teleconferencehttp://twitter.com/markhmasters