If You Are Against More Development Of Canadian QBs

...consider this long list of names now in the NFL who have been, are, or will be absolutely terrible though they are probably all kind of wealthy by now one would think lest they blew it all already ...most shined at the amateur level and were stars at whatever high school but are not even close to solid backup material in the NFL and many are just playing due to the critical shortage.

In fact I'd put Anthony Calvillo or Ricky Ray (yes I know they are my fellow countrymen, and Ray I mean with the same quality receivers as Calvillo) over all of these, and throw Jyles and McPherson into contention.

All of those guys are good enough to make the NFL I guess out of all the hyped names bygone otherwise, but I don't hold my breath for any of these guys.

There has to be a young player somewhere in Canada who can be better than Jesse Palmer was at Florida, which apparently was not good enough to be decent NFL or CFL material.

The list below includes some has-beens or never-was's still around only because the talent shortage is so bad. I've added some (censored) nicknames to a few of them.

For a few of these the average American fan would think, "Who?" once announced onto the field.

I leave out the ones who have been cut already, but go figure there are this many bad QBs still in the league and Lord help the team who taked any of these but then again who else is out there?

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To be fair I would have had Charlie Batch on this list before the season started, but hey look how he worked out for the first four games!

John B---- Beck

Kellen C'Mon Clemens

Todd Cocktail Collins

Brodie Crap Croyle

AJ Icky Feeley

Rex Gag Grossman

Caleb Shillelagh Hanie

Matt Leinart

Colt S--- McCoy

Dan Ouch Orlovsky

J.T. O'Sullivan

Brady Quinn

Patrick Ramsey

Sage Rosenfels

Troy Slappy Smith

Tyler Thigpen

Billy Volek

Charlie Whitehurst

John Parker Jacka-- Bojack Wilson

Man any Canadian kid who wants to play QB should go play college ball in the Ncaa.If he can play 1-AA or D1 it would be better than playing in the CIS....A kid playing on the bench @ a Ohio State or A Alabama would be more prepared than playing in the CIS.

Man I think Troy Smith is decent

More untruths about Palmer :roll:

Facts- The guy got shafted at Florida, again In N.Y. and by the time he signed to a CFL T.C. He didn't need the 80 K.

If the CFL stays on course and tweaks the rules to allow for a "developing non import QB,. then we will see 2 or 3 starters by 2015.
C.I.S is underrated, because of American bias and ignorance, sorry to say.
The top 10 C.I.S programs are comparable with U.S schools I E- Western recently crushed York

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Such events mean nothing. If you want to compare CIS programs with NCAA programs, you need to have games between teams from both programs.

That would be awsome, But The NCAA boy's think they are to good for us.

Man are you serious?I'm not bashing CIS football but I dont even think the CFL would tweek rule too get a start QB.Really football in america is how hockey is too canada.I dont think you need a rule too make a starter just be a good enough on the filed.I think Eric Glavic would did better in a Ncaa program than in the cis.I think his skill set you of been develop alot there

I'd love to see an NCAA team ranked 20th or so play the CIS champion, but the real problem is whose rules would you use for the game? I wouldn't think you could get some agreement on that matter alone.

That makes this debate that creeped into this thread largely irrelevant with the flag-waving that does not belong in it on top of it all showing up again too. :thdn:

THE CIS CHAMPION WOULD GET BLOWN OUT BY ANYBODY IN THE TOP 25 AND MAYBE DIVISION 1?REALLY THE CIS LACKS VERY GOOD SKILLED PLAYERS TO COMPETE WITH ANY TOP 25 DIVISION TEAMS...IF THIS WAS A CIS HOCKEY PROGRAM IT WOULD BE THE OTHERWAYS AROUND...THE CIS CANT PRODUCE A STARTING PRO IN THE CFL...I THINK THE CIS IS MORE DIVISION 3 THAN ANYTHING ELSE

YOU DOUBT YOURSELF PABLO BECAUSE WHY WOULD THE NUMBER 1 CIS TEAM PLAY THE 20TH RANKED TEAM?SHOULDNT THEY PLAY THE NUMBER 1 TEAM?

Not arguing with you dude ...settle down ...by any of say the teams above 20 they'd get killed. Also it depends on the style of offence of the college team, as ideally you would want a match-up involving an NCAA passing team.

A case in point of a team in the NCAA that would kill anything CIS IMHO is even the unranked US Naval Academy, who are damn good with the rush and make very, very few mistakes (military discipline you know). That would not be a good matchup to watch anyway. Now perhaps the Army on the other hand can play a CIS champ and have their hands full? :lol:

Just to inform you , the CFL had a split with the CIS(look up old title) 60 odd years ago, bitter relations only changed about a decade ago, CFL has failed in its management and player developement terribly .This prior to the present era.

Progress is being made in the developement of Canadian QB,s. :thup: :cowboy:

Army vs Navy- great game- terrible football :twisted:

Yay Troy Smith is starting this weekend.

This is true if it was Canadian rules, it would be very interesting to watch.

RULES DONR MEAN ANYTHING....

Okay.

Back to the original point here ...right now weeks after this post Colt McCoy and Troy Smith could be up-and-comers after just a few games, but I'm not holding my breath for them either and neither one is star material (yet) though McCoy's efforts as merely a rookie playing against the best NFL teams have been rather impressive.

The rest of the names including now starter Thigpen are as sorry at that level of play as they get in this extreme pro QB shortage.

A friend of mine sent me an article recently in which Terry Bradshaw ranked his Top 10 QBs under 30 years old in the NFL. I thought with the inclusion of the likes of Mark Sanchez that Bradshaw was off his rocker as well, but it turned out that this was not an easy exercise at all. Note the following as well regarding star QBs Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Matt Schaub to be left off my list of only nine.

I would not put Ben Roethlisberger on such a list because in reality he is one of the best system quarterbacks ever who shines only because defence and low turnovers and a solid field goal kicker are what win, or even give a chance to win, more of the tough games for the Steelers than anything else. Above all he's one of the best 4th-quarter QBs ever too.

Consider where Ben Roethlisberger could play in the NFL otherwise and succeed? Baltimore is the only other place that comes to mind, and some might say the NY Jets but I think he'd fail miserably there. Also the NY Giants could be a place for him, but they are sticking with Eli for a good while longer. And so I'd just leave Ben off this list because for sake of such rankings his inclusion is "not applicable."

Eli Manning turns 30 in two weeks and Matt Schaub will be 30 by the next training camp, so they go off this list.
As far as the others as I rank them with a gap indicated where the QB's game goes down further than just one slot:

  1. Philip Rivers -- Also 2nd best in the league (makes the best of it all with a subpar coaching staff)

  2. Aaron Rodgers (in the wrong town)

  3. Matt Ryan (perfect on a domed stadium team), Joe Flacco (in the wrong town)

  4. Kyle Orton (he has the tools to be even better under a different coach and GM)

  5. Matt Cassel (in the right place)

  6. Josh Freeman (in the right place right here in the Tampa Bay area)

  7. Sam Bradford (needs an almost entirely new surrounding cast on offense)

  8. Jay Cutler (he's just in the wrong town)

The point here is that the prospects of a whole lot of great talent heading up there from here in my opinion are very low. When that's all the names of quality players and prospects (numbers 7-9) that I can come up with, we have quite the shortage down here with severe issues in QB development after a full decade of hype about any given usually overrated big school draft pick as well.

As there is quite the shortage up there as well, it seems to me seriously high time to really put some effort in development of a serious crop of QBs up there starting at age 11 or so. The alternative to continue to rely on such a high percentage of young and other import talent looks awful you see.

Otherwise here are your best current/former NFL prospects right now to head up there IMHO whether short-term reality or not, as the list of guys stated previously are not solid long-term material for QB in the NFL or CFL all the same:

  1. Seneca Wallace
  2. Shaun Hill
  3. Tim Tebow
  4. Chase Daniel

Put Kevin Kolb behind Matt Cassel in the rankings below ...

Here's another raw potential rookie import name to keep in mind especially if there is no NFL season next year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhett_Bomar

Of course I were looking South from there I would want to go with one of the first two names in Wallace and Hill below, who are not going to have a steady starting role in the NFL again IMHO, if you are going with the very short list of experienced NFL players who might even consider making the move.

Then for young potential there is Tebow who won't be going anywhere for sake of the marketing potential short-term than his performance potential for sake of the NFL game. Tebow's natural game is more suited to the CFL IMHO.

Daniel has no NFL game experience, but he does not seem as raw as Bomar.