If "better is better" then "worse is worse"

I hope everyone who was screaming for drastic changes at the end of the 2011 season is satisfied.

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We got drastic changes all right

We got drastically worse

Kevin Glenn in the grey cup ouch!!!!!!

Bad GM gives the farm to rookie HC who hires rookie DC, sprinkle in way too many rookie starters, bad NI depth a slippery tee and a Renaud and this is what you get.

But change WAS needed. An 8-10 season is lame. The problem was with who made the changes and what those changes ended up being. If we had hired an experienced and competent defensive coordinator then we wouldn't even need to be posting this.

A 6-12 season and missing the playoffs for the first time in four years is more lame.

Whatever. Lame is lame. Bottom line is the right people weren't implemented to replace the deficient ones. Hence, the revolving door of lameness.

Disagree. Not an accurate record as Bellefeuille was experimenting once the Tiger-Cats clinched their spot.

Beating the Alouettes in Montreal in the playoffs was a notable accomplishment, and pushed the team past the previous two year's playoff losses.

So Marcel was experimenting in the last game or so kind of like Milanovich was tonight by resting about 10 starters. :roll:

Marcel won 1 stinking playoff game in 3 years. So that's a notable accomplishment?

Yes, when it was his 3rd of 3 years, that shows improvement, and beating the mighty Als in Montreal is a big deal. That wasn't "just a playoff game" IMO.

Yes, because it was so awful that we had a team that made the playoffs and went to the Eastern Final...

...the horror....the horror...

Not that major of an accomplishment in an 8 team league. Let's see roughly 50% of the teams make it to their division final. Odds are pretty good that your team can make it. Let's compare in the last dozen years how many times Montreal has made it to the East Final compared to the Cats.

Cortez is NOT the answer but neither was Bellefeuille. Marcel's teams were also plagued by some type of mysterious inconsistency.

Marcel's accomplishments were nothing in the grand scheme of things for an 8 team league but they were strong when put into context by considering just how dreadfully awful we had been before him and, as is now evident, after him too.

This team improved immediately when he took over for Taffe as interim HC. That's why he was put in the position permanently and it showed in our record the next year. Then we flatlined. Maybe all along he was making a bad team look mediocre?

He was certainly the best we've had since Lancaster, and our team despite it's 8-10 absolutely hummed. Also Bellefeuille wouldn't have cost us the game in Montreal, or several others along the way. If he was coach this year, we would have been absolute contenders, at worst, a .500 team and in the playoffs.

If he was coach this year, we would have been absolute contenders, at worst, a .500 team and in the playoffs.
I m not certain that a direct comparison can be made between the two teams. The rosters were very different from last year to this. The defensive coordinator, too. There are a lot more variables to account for than just a swap out of HC's.

It is just as plausible that the team could have tuned Bellefuille out and stopped responding to him. It is just as plausible that Bellefuille would not have had the same rapport with Henry Burris as Cortez does, and not gotten the same results. Don't kid yourself - for all of Cortez's shortcomings this season as a game manager, and strategist - his offensive acumen is second to none.

While you may very well be right about your assessment ... I think it goes just a bit deeper than a one for one swap of HC's.

Ask yourself this: if Creehan had been the DC last year, would Bellefeuille have done as well?

Seems like you want to see Bob O'billovich fired. There is a rumour circulating today that Jim Barker will not be back with the Argos next season. Barker in place of O'Billovich ... your thoughts?

Irrelevant because he didn't. Also, the guy who took over for Bellefeuille is the one who hand selected Creehan.

Ask yourself this: if Bellefeuille wasn't fired, would he have hired Creehan this season?

Not irrelevant, because people are acting like substituting Marcel for Cortez is a one-to-one switch with no change elsewhere. The team changed a lot this offseason. It wasn't just a HC change.

Also, the guy who took over for Bellefeuille is the one who hand selected Creehan.
Hand-selected? Or hired because no one else was available? (i.e. it was already late in the offseason)
Ask yourself this: if Bellefeuille wasn't fired, would he have hired Creehan this season?
Not a fair question, because he would have had the entire offseason to find a replacement for Chamblin.

We need a new DC, and a new secondary, and Burris has to stop throwing pick-sixes. If all of that happens, and we continue adding to the talent we currectly have at the other positions, we will be ok. Having the #1 or #2 overall pick in next year's draft will help.

It is a joke that we didn't make the playoffs, but clearly if the defence is improved, that won't happen again in the forseeable future.