I wonder

approx. 6 ft of snow predicted for buffalo over the next 3 days

I wonder, will it affect bills home game. Will it affect Hamilton and the east final?

I am in Niagara Falls. It is cold and snowy but fine.

Because we (in Hamilton) are at the western end of Lake Ontario we don't get the prevailing winds lake effect snow that they get in Buffalo - being at the eastern end of Lake Erie. While areas in the south of Buffalo were getting 3 feet of snow today areas just a couple of miles north were only getting the odd flurry. With slight changes in directions of the prevailing winds the lake effect snow bands move slightly north or south.

In Buffalo tonight the band of snow is supposed to move south tonight - then the entire area including us here in Hamilton are supposed to get a couple of inches of snow tomorrow - then the lake effect machine kicks in again and Buffalo - even the downtown area is supposed to get about 2 feet of lake effect snow Thursday and Friday.

All of us well above freezing Saturday and Sunday with rain for Sunday. So whatever small amount of snow we get in Hamilton (two or three inches on the ground now, a couple of more inches tomorrow) will likely melt with temperatures above freezing Saturday and with rain Sunday.

I posted this in another thread but you can see the line of where the wall of lake effect snow was in this shot looking southwest from downtown Buffalo today.

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That's a cool pic Did you take it ?

No that was a picture one of the TV stations in Buffalo tweeted out earlier today from their tower cam.

Yeah, Hamilton is in a weird climate zone, being at the cleft of the golden horseshoe, we usually don't get dumped on that bad unless the jet stream cuts through the city from the south, getting it from Erie. We're just far enough away from Lake Huron to be spared the worst of it and Cootes Paradise/Hamilton Harbour are smaller bodies of water that are usually frozen over before lake effect becomes a concern anyways.

The other thing that's odd is the lower city seldom gets hit as badly as the top of the escarpment. Why that is, I don't know, but I doubt it's the elevation. Driving down the 403, I've literally experienced sun in Burlington, Fog around Cootes, Rain heading down the highway, freezing rain/hail going up the escarpment and snow at the top.

1 - Who cares about the Bills.

2 - The East final will do on as scheduled. If in doubt I refer you to the 1996 Grey Cup.

The “96” Cup,froze my arse off,but save for the fact that the wrong team won,one of the best games I’ve ever witnessed live :smiley:

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Since we are talking lake effect snow - one of the interesting things about that 1996 Snow Bowl Grey Cup game in Hamilton is that the area of the city was getting dumped on because of lake effect that day. It was one of those times when the low pressure system with its counter clockwise flow passed south of us bringing winds from the east that picked up moisture off Lake Ontario and dumped on Hamilton. That day areas 15 miles from Ivor Wynne were getting almost no snow.

Right now with a wind shift the insane lake effect snow off Lake Erie has now moved north up into Southern Ontario and areas as close as St. Catharines - 20 miles down the road are getting hit today - but not as bad as what areas in Western New York saw yesterday. Here in Hamilton we are just now starting to see some snow - but it is just a general snowfall expected to be about 7cm today - not the hammering the Buffalo area has gotten and will get again Thursday and Friday.

With up to 7 feet of snow - this is such an historic weather event literally next door to us here in Southern Ontario I find myself fascinated with it and its impact on the sporting world. Needless to say all the Buffalo TV stations which we get here have had almost nonstop coverage of it for the last 24 hours. As for the impact on the Bills game - boy is that going to be a challenge to get the over 5 feet of snow - much of it still to come on Thursday and Friday shoveled out of Ralph Wilson Stadium and the huge parking lots that surround it. That will be a challenge of epic proportions. Ideally for me - maybe they'll need to delay the game by 24 hours and play it on Monday night - and that way I'll get to see the game (I am a Bills fan - like thousands of football fans in this part of Ontario) and that would be cool to be able to go to the Cats game Sunday and see the Bills game Monday instead of them both happening at the same time and missing the Bills game.

A few more remarkable scenes from Buffalo.

Check out this unbelievable time lapse video.

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And here is the NY State Thruway - the major highway in the Buffalo area

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And somewhere back there is Ralph Wilson Stadium

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The Bills are offering anybody who can get to Ralph Wilson stadium tomorrow $10/hr and free tickets to the game for help shoveling the Ralph. Looks like they've got their work cut out for them judging by the pics below especially with another foot or two expected there the next 24 hours and driving bans still in effect in the area of the stadium.

Here in Hamilton only about 10 cm. of snow on the ground and with rain and +5C predicted for Saturday and now a forecast high of +9C for Sunday that should all be gone by game time. So we'll be playing here in Hamilton at 1:00PM Sunday.

Buffalo - not so sure.

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It's going to be around 10C on the weekend, so all that snow at Ralph Wilson will be heavy and wet.

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The NFL and Bills need to reschedule this game on Sunday ,for the Bills to ask people to come the stadium and shovel is nuts , the roads are already impassable , 8 lives have been lost already , the police in Orchard Park have stated anyone on the roads will be ticketed, as they need get the roads cleared , they do not need more congestion hampering that process .

Wimps. '96 they asked Lancaster and Matthews if they wanted a longer halftime to clear the field or just do the 5 yard markers. They said "Let's just play". Americans are a bunch of wimps. Heck, it looks like a nice spring day in Cold Lake in those pictures. :cowboy:

You show up with a flame thrower :wink:

Apparently the NFL had been requesting some priority be given to getting the stadium area cleared in time for the game on Sunday - and to their credit Governor Cuomo and Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz said that can't be their priority when there are real safety concerns elsewhere. Cuomo said holding the game Sunday would be 'impractical'. Heck the Bills still have not even practiced this week.

Some areas near the stadium already have 6 or 7 feet of snow, incredibly are expecting up to two feet more today - it is snowing there right now at the rate of 3" per hour again. The huge concern now is with rain forecast for the weekend and Sunday and Monday temperatures forecast to be over 50F they are expecting MAJOR flooding and roof collapse issues - so look for the Bills game to either be moved or postponed.

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With more snow falling in the area around Ralph Wilson Stadium, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo considers it "impractical" to play Sunday's game between the Buffalo Bills and New York Jets as scheduled.

"Everybody would love to see a Bills game go forward, but I think even more, everybody wants to make sure public safety comes first," Cuomo said at a news conference Thursday morning. "At this point in time, doing what we have to do with the driving ban and everything we just said -- staying off the roads -- would make a Bills game impractical.

"So if you ask me today, right now, my two cents would be it would be impractical to do the game because it could jeopardize public safety."

The decision to postpone or relocate the game rests with the NFL. The league has been in constant contact with the Bills since the storm began but has not announced a decision on the game's status.

The Bills canceled practice for a second consecutive day Thursday. For those who aren't snowed in, there is still a driving ban that remains in place for several towns around the team's facility in Orchard Park, New York. Major highways, including the New York State Thruway, remain closed with more snow expected by the end of the day.

"Erie County officials have been in touch with the Bills," Erie County executive Mark Poloncarz said Thursday. "We've been asked: 'Can we commit to having emergency service personnel and the sheriff's office -- the lead police agency -- at the game?' I can tell you right now, at this moment, we cannot commit to having emergency service personnel and the sheriff's office. At this moment, I cannot commit to that on Sunday."

On Wednesday, Bills vice president of operations Andy Major wasn't sure whether there was enough time to clear the stadium and grounds of the estimated 220,000 tons of snow by Sunday.

"To be honest with you, I've been here 28 years and I have not seen anything close to this," Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly told ESPN on Thursday. "I know at my house, I have a good 7 feet now. Like I said, I have never seen anything like this.

"There's no possible way I can see them playing this game on Sunday."

Rain and temperatures in the mid-50s are expected by the weekend, which could cause flooding in the region.

"Maybe we get a break somewhere along the way," Cuomo said. "We get a break in the weather, the snow, the rain. And if there's any way that we can scramble to get it done, I know the mayor, the county executive and myself will do everything we can to deploy resources to make it possible. But now we're focused on public safety."

Kelly, however, said the warmer weather could bring more problems to the region.

"People can have fun now," Kelly told ESPN. "But when that warm weather rolls in, the bad stuff is really going to start happening."


Good luck to my friends in Buffalo - because they have some huge and potentially dangerous challenges ahead.

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Every Idiot who volunteers to shovel out the stadium gets one of these deluxe shovels for free along with their $10.00 and free ticket to the game. :roll: 8)

I'm sure the Bills game will be postponed in view of the comments of the political leaders - especially with some of the things that have started to happen. Just now on one of the local Buffalo Stations they reported a partial roof collapse at a nursing home. Fortunately it gave them some warning and did not suddenly collapse so nobody was hurt - but they are now evacuating over 100 seniors through the snow to a local mall. Stories like that are only going to become more numerous after this next bout of snow ends and temperatures rise it starts to rain and the melt begins. Flooding, collapses - real danger ahead!

I fear Bills Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly is exactly right with this quote

"People can have fun now," Kelly told ESPN. "But when that warm weather rolls in, the bad stuff is really going to start happening."

Well - this is kind of funny. They just mentioned on one of the Buffalo stations that almost certainly the game will not be played in Buffalo on Sunday. It may be delayed to Monday or Tuesday night or moved to another city such as Pittsburgh, Detroit or ......... Toronto!

Exactly who gives a rats rectum about the Bills.

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