How law abiding are you?

It is 3 in the morn. No cars on the road. You are walking and come up to a red light. Do you wait for the light to change?

Normally yes because otherwise, as if when one makes this a the habit, that is usually tempting fate. Fate is a police officer, a traffic camera, or a drunk or stoned driver (usually slower, but just as unaware).

Sometimes though, when the light is over a minute and there no cars, sure I go when I know the intersection.

I have often encountered malfunctioning lights that don't change at night on weekends or holidays too. When you run one of those after stopping and waiting, you do have some defence should a police officer happen upon you.

I had that happen to me once yet still got a ticket over 3 years ago, but I chose not to fight it though later found out that the light indeed was malfunctioning at that intersection.

Wait for the light to change.

Most intersections have surveillance cameras with high resolution mounted on lighting poles. It's more sophisticated than what you see on morning television shows for it morning drive time/rush hour traffic

Walking at 3am .

Doubt at 3am at minus 16 tonight anybody is standing around waiting for any red light to change where there is no traffic .

Driving is a completely different matter .

so you are saying the only reason you wait is that you might get caught not doing so?

No judgement, just asking.

Somebody watched that Netflix Unabomber movie eh

Forget 3 in the morning
At normal times in afternoon I will take a left at red to get off 407 since lights take too long and roads are deserted

You walk on the 407 ?

Now that's illegal .

I think FYB used one of those test questions intentionally or unintentionally .

It is 3 in the morn. No cars on the road. You are walking

Yeah, at that time of day I'm walking, but where I am also matters. Some places hand out jaywalking tickets because the cops don't have anything better to do and have to justify their job by being a de facto small-time tax collector. Other places (most other places) don't bother with this nonsense unless the walker causes an accident or manages to walk in front of a driver, giving them no chance to stop the vehicle.

Many many years ago in Edmonton a couple of friends and I crossed the street at a corner on Jasper Avenue. Officer Friendly (not so much) was waiting for us on the other side and issued jaywalking tickets to the three of us because we stepped off the curb at the same time as the hand went up. What a colossal dick. Anyway, he backdated my friend's ticket to the month prior to the actual date. So, my friend took it to court and lost anyway, because the judge didn't care that there was an obvious problem that really should have invalidated the infraction. However, the cop immediately left the courtroom with an extremely red face while we pointed and snickered at him. :slight_smile:
I suspect that cop was already a loser who had been demoted to cough jaywalking duty on Jasper Avenue and he couldn't even date a ticket properly LOL

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Sounds like a bummer .

I had a friend that was under investigation by the Police. They had him under surveillance for miles. I saw the video, his car, license plate number, from the place he left to his home residence and him. They can watch if they chose to do so

yes, but not my question.

What would you do if you knew no one would ever see?

ie: is it still a red light if there are no police or camaras to see it? :slight_smile:

Come to a full stop and wait for the light to change. I'm in no hurry. It's not worth it

you mean stop walking?

I have always stopped except sometimes when I was in a really bad mood.

Walking 3 am .

Words seem to be ignored .

Neat experiment .

I have to say most people on the forum including myself at times reads into what the other is posting .

Add things where it doesn't exist .

Many add insult , emotion or anger where none exists and they become upset .

In this case some add a car , driving and time of day .

Very cool . FYB .

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True story: Years ago, when drinking and driving was just a fine and more or less “acceptable”, a friend got nabbed at a stop sign after closing time. The cop was suspicious because he came to a full stop, waited then drove away. Told my friend that sober people at that hour normally did a “rolling stop”, but the impaired drivers typically did the definite stop and go. In his case, the cop was right.

Love to hear his evidence in court .

He was not driving impaired was careful and cautious driving so I pulled him over and then requested a breathalyzer .

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If I’m walking at 3am that means I’m probably coming home from that underground casino I frequent, with a sack full of smuggled ivory and homemade bathtub opium; getting ready to take part in that Tax evasion scheme with some acquaintances I met in the East end of Montreal.

But I will NOT step onto the street before the light changes. That would be just wrong.

Have some respect for the laws of this land people!


not me. I have walked home in the past at all hours totally law abiding in any way.

Have some respect for the spirit of the laws of the land people :slight_smile:


I’m so old that I go back to the time when a cop could, and would, pull you over if you were out driving in the wee hours. Cops usually were stationed locally, or were part of a local force, and got to know who was normally out, and who was not usually doing so. If he didn’t recognize the car, it was not unusual to have him do a random check, especially at closing time. Probably not ‘legal’ now, don’t know if it was then, but it was fairly common.

Also, in my earlier story, it was probably “pre-breathalyzer” being available, or used, in every cruiser or station.

Another true story: A bunch of us came out of a beverage room one night, and the cop, who knew one of the guys, took the driver’s keys, and drove the car owner and a couple of others, who had too far to walk, home. Of course, I also knew a few cases where guys were driven to the local station, and then their parents called to come and get them. The standard fine was $37.50, whether drinking under age (legal age was 21 years), being intoxicated in a public place, or having liquor other than at your residence. Different, and looking back, somewhat dumber, times.

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along the line of cop driving someone home.

I was late getting home in to where I was living in northern Etobicoke (GTA) and missed the last bus from the subway. I started walking and saw a patrol car and I went up and asked for a ride home. He said sure, and did.

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