Hamilton Grey Cup 2016

From Rod Pedersen,

  1. The succession of Grey Cup host cities for the next four years is: Regina (2013), Vancouver (2014), Winnipeg (2015), Hamilton (2016) and Ottawa (2017). That means the succession for Congress is the same because it's always held in the Grey Cup host city. This list is subject to change of course, due to stadium availability. As we all know Winnipeg was supposed to get the 2014 Grey Cup but their stadium is too far behind. What a mess.
http://www.rodpedersen.com/

...don't think we're behind at all...In fact the stadium is looking pretty good and according to Bomber brass in a statement today, we're opening June 27th. against the ALS. ...ALSO.. management says today we're very much still in the running for 2014....Don't know where this succession stuff is coming from....I think I would wait for the leagues official announcement :wink:

Not sure that Hamilton can host a Grey Cup game - the stadium can't be expanded beyond 40,000. If they do decide on a 35,000 attendance at a GC will fans be willing to pay $300 to $400 a ticket so that the league and the team receive the same revenue as a 50k seat GC?

Did not previous reports state that IW2 will have an expansion capacity of up to 40,000 for Grey Cups?

According to one CBC.ca you are correct "expandable to nearly 40k for special events" but that is still well below the 50k plus that has been normal for the past 15 years or so.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2012/10/12/hamilton-pan-am-stadium-official.html]http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2 ... icial.html[/url]

But another story says only 10k temporary seats can be added, I think they corrected the story above. It seems the problem is the site can only take around 10k temp seats. The new stadium is a lot bigger than the old stadium and one end is going to be the "grand entrance" and concourse.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2012/10/12/hamilton-pan-am-stadium.html]http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2 ... adium.html[/url]

Hamilton's new Pan Am Stadium will be able to host Grey Cups. That has been a requirement from the onset and to say anything else would be flat out spreading mis-truths.

Who is spreading mis-truths?????

If you read the above posts, it was stated - can Hamilton host a Grey Cup with temporary seating only bringing up the attendance to 35,000 or up to 40,000 whatever the total number would be? If so, would fans be willing to pay the extra costs to bring in the same revenue as generated from a 50k plus attendance.

Is that a mis-truth? what is a mis-truth anyway? a lie?

"Do the Tiger-Cats hope to host a Grey Cup in the future?

The Tiger-Cats are working with the City of Hamilton on a business case with the goal to hold multiple Grey Cups in the future. The new stadium will be expandable to approximately 40,000 seats to host a Grey Cup."

[url=http://www.newstadiumnewexperience.com/frequently-asked/]http://www.newstadiumnewexperience.com/ ... tly-asked/[/url]

Never Assume Anything!!

Often fans think that they are the experts by saying our team is this and our stadium is too small when it's not as pointed out by the professionals at the CFL and the Tiger-Cats. I'm sure one of the Big selling points in designing a new stadium for Hamilton was number one that we could host the Soccer events for the 2015 Pan-Am Games and number two, home field for the Tiger-Cats and Three that the seating would be enough to be expanded to host a Grey Cup Game?

Never Assume anything until you get it from the people in-charge!!!

Right and we aren't assuming anything! We had all the information from the people in-charge all along!! so what's your point?
You have missed the point of this debate - as our posts above have stated - the new stadium can be expanded up to "approximately 40,000 for a Grey Cup"
So what we are debating is how can we host a Grey Cup with only 40,000 seats and derive the same revenue as the usual 52,000 to 55,000 seating at a Grey Cup?
Are the fans willing to pay a much higher ticket price for a Grey Cup in Hamilton with approx 40k seats?

Ottawa will probably be in the same position, with the new stadium seating 24k and expandable to 40k plus

This photo is labelled as "Grey Cup Configuration" any time I've seen it. I'm sure IWS2 will be well able to host a Grey Cup!

Sure looks like nice weather for late November, though!

The last GC in Calgary had only 40000 seats (which IIRC is the minimum amount needed for the event), so I don't see a problem with the new stadium being able to be expanded to only 40000 (yes, ticket prices will be higher than for a 50000 seat venue).

The Calgary Grey Cup was a Financial success!

[url=http://www.cfl.ca/article/grey-cup-a-financial-boost-for-calgary]http://www.cfl.ca/article/grey-cup-a-fi ... or-calgary[/url]

[i][b]CALGARY -- The economic impact assessment of the 2009 Grey Cup Festival was released today by Tourism Calgary. The festival, featuring a number of events leading up to the 97th Grey Cup game, ran from Nov. 26 to Nov. 29, 2009 in Calgary, Alberta.

The four-day festival saw over 121,000 fans in attendance with 46,020 attending the Grey Cup Classic at McMahon Stadium. An estimated 32,000 fans in attendance over the course of the festival were from out-of-region, and their spending, in combination with expenditures made by the 2009 Grey Cup host committee totaled $35.3 million. These expenditures generated an estimated $81.0 million in economic activity for the province of Alberta, of which $61.0 million occurred in the city of Calgary. The total net economic activity (GDP) generated by the event was $39.5 million throughout Alberta, with $28.4 million occurring in the city of Calgary.

Considerable tax revenues were also supported by the event, totaling $13.0 million. Federal tax revenues of $7.3 million were supported by the event, while also supporting provincial tax revenues of $3.7 million and municipal revenues of $2.1 million, of which $1.8 million were in the city of Calgary.

A survey, conducted by EventCorp, found that the 32,000 out-of-region visitors stayed over for an average of 3.6 nights in Calgary. Of this group, 20,000 used commercial accommodations and collectively spent $4.3 million on lodging. Excluding on-site spending at the game, the survey found that the aggregate spending in the Calgary area by out-of-region visitors was $28.8 million. A total of $5.1 million was spent in restaurants and bars, $3.3 million in food and liquor stores and $3.1 million was spent in retail stores. Personal vehicle expenditures totaled $2.6 million while $1.6 million was spent on transit and for-hire transportation. Net expenditures on Grey Cup souvenirs reached $3.4 million while $2.4 million was spent on other types of recreation and entertainment. Total spending on other festival-related activities at the Grey Cup reached $3.1 million.[/b][/i]

Of course this is when the negative people step up to state that Hamilton is incapable of posting these kind of numbers because it is Hamilton.

If Hamilton can post even close to these numbers it will make the investment of the new Stadium pay for itself quite quickly.

Le'ts face it, the stadium will be beautiful gridiron specific compared with the crappola Skydump bowl so-far-away thing in Toronto that people have packed for the last 2 GC's there. We are very lucky to be getting a stadium that will the envy here in s Ontario albeit the one in Ottawa should be awesome as well. Was at the 100th in the 500 level and not even at the top and thought I was in a different time zone as to what was going on on the field.

A good read by Cam Cole about BC hosting the 2014 Grey Cup and some Hamilton news as to when we will get to host at the new Stadium!

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On the whole, it’s probably a good thing the Canadian Football League doesn’t carve its choices of Grey Cup host cities in stone.

Presumptive hosts are developing an alarming habit of throwing up their hands and saying: “Not yet!?

Fortunately, the Godfather of the CFL, David Braley, is there to pick up the pieces, and so it will be when a badly kept secret is made official Friday morning, that his B.C. Lions will throw the 2014 Grey Cup bash.

That will make three substantial paydays in four years for the good senator, two of them pickups from the discard pile. He only needs the proceeds from another dozen or so to nearly break even on his outlay over a long career as the CFL’s No. 1 benefactor.

The latest city to drop back and punt is Winnipeg, which had been the front-runner for the 2014 game in its new Investors Group Field. But owing to construction delays, a park that was supposed to have opened last year — while dazzling, by all accounts — won’t get its first test until this summer, and the Blue Bombers appear to have decided that they’d rather play a full season in the new facility and work out the bugs before taking on the big show.

“Only the Bombers could find a way to lose a Grey Cup without playing in it,? wrote one commenter on a Winnipeg story about the day’s developments.[/b]

So now, the Lions are getting the championship game and festival more or less third-hand, even though (if you’re still following the musical chairs) it would normally have been their turn, anyway, had they not jumped the queue to relieve Hamilton of the 2011 finale.

Down the road, the 2015 game likely will go to Winnipeg, because Hunt says he would rather see Ottawa’s fledgling entry — to be named the Red Blacks, unless saner heads prevail — establish itself as a contender before venturing fully into the spotlight. So the, er, Blue Golds will almost certainly inherit that one.
(Note to Mr. Hunt: Voyageurs or Raftsmen, for cripes sake. Red Blacks is like volunteering to be mocked.)

Hamilton, whose 24,000-seat PanAm soccer stadium must be ready in time for the Games in 2015, therefore might be arm-wrestling Ottawa for the 2016 game, the loser getting it the following year, and then it will have been nine years since McMahon Stadium in Calgary had its last shot, and eight for Edmonton’s Commonwealth Stadium.

"Grover" [i][b]CALGARY -- The economic impact assessment of the 2009 Grey Cup Festival was released today by Tourism Calgary. The festival, featuring a number of events leading up to the 97th Grey Cup game, ran from Nov. 26 to Nov. 29, 2009 in Calgary, Alberta.

The four-day festival saw over 121,000 fans in attendance with 46,020 attending the Grey Cup Classic at McMahon Stadium. An estimated 32,000 fans in attendance over the course of the festival were from out-of-region, and their spending, in combination with expenditures made by the 2009 Grey Cup host committee totaled $35.3 million. These expenditures generated an estimated $81.0 million in economic activity for the province of Alberta, of which $61.0 million occurred in the city of Calgary. The total net economic activity (GDP) generated by the event was $39.5 million throughout Alberta, with $28.4 million occurring in the city of Calgary.

Considerable tax revenues were also supported by the event, totaling $13.0 million. Federal tax revenues of $7.3 million were supported by the event, while also supporting provincial tax revenues of $3.7 million and municipal revenues of $2.1 million, of which $1.8 million were in the city of Calgary.

A survey, conducted by EventCorp, found that the 32,000 out-of-region visitors stayed over for an average of 3.6 nights in Calgary. Of this group, 20,000 used commercial accommodations and collectively spent $4.3 million on lodging. Excluding on-site spending at the game, the survey found that the aggregate spending in the Calgary area by out-of-region visitors was $28.8 million. A total of $5.1 million was spent in restaurants and bars, $3.3 million in food and liquor stores and $3.1 million was spent in retail stores. Personal vehicle expenditures totaled $2.6 million while $1.6 million was spent on transit and for-hire transportation. Net expenditures on Grey Cup souvenirs reached $3.4 million while $2.4 million was spent on other types of recreation and entertainment. Total spending on other festival-related activities at the Grey Cup reached $3.1 million.[/b][/i]

Of course this is when the negative people step up to state that Hamilton is incapable of posting these kind of numbers because it is Hamilton.

If Hamilton can post even close to these numbers it will make the investment of the new Stadium pay for itself quite quickly.


Yes, and here is one of the "Negative People" - Hamilton can NOT post them kind of numbers - as simple as that.
Forget the economic benefits that other cities get, there is no comparison.
The big difference in Calgary was - "20,000 fans stayed locally in hotels" - Hamilton would be lucky to accommodate 1,000 fans locally. Assuming 2 people per hotel room you would need 10,000 rooms!!!
That is one reason why the Hamilton Convention Centre can't attract big conventions - NOT ENOUGH Hotel rooms.
The fans would have to stay in Toronto or Niagara where the bulk of the hotels are located. One of the great things about going to a Grey Cup is the fans all downtown partying etc It would be on a much smaller scale in Hamilton. Locals may show up for the parties but they just don't have the same impact as out of towners.
The City will NOT get the economic spin off that other cities get.

However, that doesn't mean the team would not get the benefit of a crowd 38,000 to 40,000 paying an average of $300 a ticket. I'm sure the Tiger Cats would love the revenue from a large crowd and it's still worth hosting.
But let's not try to compare the benefits to the economy with any other city hosting a Grey Cup and try to justify it that way.

[b]Cam Cole: So now, the Lions are getting the championship game and festival more or less third-hand, even though (if you’re still following the musical chairs) it would normally have been their turn, anyway, had they not jumped the queue to relieve Hamilton of the 2011 finale.[/b]
What official reason was given for Hamilton to opt out of hosting the 2011 Grey Cup?

Lack of accommodations/amenities?

I agree that Hamilton has a serious hotel room shortage.

There is also a shortage of rooms in Regina for this seasons Grey Cup.

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[b]
There are not enough hotel rooms in Regina to accommodate the thousands of visitors who travel annually to the Grey Cup. That was the case in 1995 and 2003 when the Saskatchewan capital hosted the big game, and it’s happening again this year when the Queen City will conduct the 101st Grey Cup.

The game is still nine months out, but you would have better luck finding a Stampeders fan in this province than a hotel room in Regina. Some fans during Grey Cup week will stay out of town, some will hook up with friends, and rest will keep calling and hoping a room pops open.

Neil Donnelly, the executive director of the 101st Grey Cup committee, believes hotels will likely release some rooms as November approaches, but he feels those currently without accommodations should look to Facebook, Twitter or any other social media platform that wasn’t available in '95 or '03.

“Reach out to friends or friends of friends and see if you can’t bunk in at a house,” Donnelly said Thursday.

– also from Penton, who attended the CFL Congress in Regina last week and picked up all kinds of good nuggets: the CFL has lost two national sponsors in Scotiabank and RONA.[/b]

In the words of Dave Naylor

But Dave Naylor at TSN Tweeted that the 2011 game was actually Hamilton's in the rotation spot - it was deemed that Ivor Wynne was no longer Grey Cup worthy - and this game is Vancouver scheduled opportunity. With both Ottawa, Winnipeg and Hamilton bringing new facilities online in the next two years, it will be interesting to see where the championship games end up.