The last couple of weeks of the CFL off-season have certainly been interesting with all of the coaching shuffles and big QB trades. There's also constant chatter and rumours from the CFL scribes, insiders, bloggers and forum members about who will acquire Burris and Mcpherson. Apparently the Cats were interested in Jyles and Ray at some point so it's obvious GM Obie is shopping for a new QB. Yet, I'm hearing absolutely nothing about Porter and Glenn's future. There doesn't appear to be any demand for these two. I'd like to hear some predictions on what people think. Do you think that their careers are over or will they accept back-up roles with either the Cats or another team. Will either of these two even be in the CFL in 2012?
I'm wondering if the Cats will wait to get their new HC, before making any major QB moves.
Also wonder if Khari Jones is on the bubble, or if he's being consulted in regards to the QB situation.
Ah, to be a fly on the wall.
8) Don't expect to see Glenn back with the TiCats next season !!!
His days in Hamilton are over !! He has taken us as far as he is capable of.
Porter is also on the bubble !!I would probably trade Kevin Glenn or Porter and a draft pick and maybe an import for Adrian McPherson. Just my two cents.
I do think a change of scenery would benefit Porter himself at this point, and pretty much confirm if he's ever going to make it.
Glenn is untradable.
Porter would be a guy to trade to a team like Montreal with a coach like Trestman who can tutor him.
I would like to see McPherson here, but who knows.
Glenn is untradable.
Porter would be a guy to trade to a team like Montreal with a coach like Trestman who can tutor him.
I would like to see McPherson here, but who knows.
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I think it would be risky to bring in McPherson as our #1 QB, he hasn't got the experience, and he will not take a
backup role for sure. he would rather stay with Montreal.
I think it would be risky to bring in McPherson as our #1 QB, he hasn't got the experience, and he will not take a
backup role for sure. he would rather stay with Montreal. :cowboy:
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No one has experience as a #1 before they become a #1. McPherson has played behind the best QB the CFL has probably ever seen for 4 years, along with coaches like Trestman and Millanovich.
Before Cavillo was a bonafide starter in MTL he was tutored by Tracey Ham for years. Lulay was a back-up before becoming an MVP and Grey Cup champion.
McPherson has shown he can move an offence down the field when given the chance to hit the field.
I just think if McPherson was given the chance to take 1st team reps all week in practice, play consistently in games, etc.
McPherson is younger than our starter now, and has a lot of potential if given the full-time opportunity.
We don't groom our QB's so why not bring in a fairly young QB like McPherson. If this team is going to take a chance with a QB, I would rather it be a guy like McPherson especially in a season where we will have a new HC too.
No one has experience as a #1 before they become a #1. McPherson has played behind the best QB the CFL has probably ever seen for 4 years, along with coaches like Trestman and Millanovich.
Before Cavillo was a bonafide starter in MTL he was tutored by Tracey Ham for years. Lulay was a back-up before becoming an MVP and Grey Cup champion.
McPherson has shown he can move an offence down the field when given the chance to hit the field.
I just think if McPherson was given the chance to take 1st team reps all week in practice, play consistently in games, etc.
McPherson is younger than our starter now, and has a lot of potential if given the full-time opportunity.
We don't groom our QB's so why not bring in a fairly young QB like McPherson. If this team is going to take a chance with a QB, I would rather it be a guy like McPherson especially in a season where we will have a new HC too.
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I don't think the Cats are in a situation where they can take the time to experiment with a rookie #1 string QB, if they
hope to beat out the Argos and Bombers for the Grey cup appearance.
And the fans are not in the mood to wait another year or two for better results.
not even close to being realistic
I have been on the porter band wagon and I am falling off. I don't think to much of the burris ,but if boltus can be the next lulay,then maybe burris is the man to help him along.
How is this not realistic???
So what do we do then? Everyone that we bring in will be a rookie #1, unless we stick with Glenn, or bring in Burris.
Porter doesn't have any more experience at #1 than McPherson, and if he does he hasn't shown anymore potential.
If we stick with Glenn or bring in Burris, we will be in the same situation in 2 years, and again looking for someone to bring in who will probably not have #1 experience either unless he's 32 yrs old +.
Porter doesn't have any more experience at #1 than McPherson, and if he does he hasn't shown anymore potential.Not including relief or mop up time, Porter has started 19 games in total for the Cats in the past 4 seasons thus has had much more experience than McPherson.
He was our #1 starter until Glenn unseated him a couple seasons back.
You have a negative opinion of Burris, I think he can take us to the Grey Cup where Glenn could not, as well as help
develop a young QB to take his place. If you can't see the difference between Glenn and Burris it's time to get glasses.
I'm not sure where the negative view of Burris comes from my post...
All I said was that we will be in the same position two years from now if we stick with Glenn or sign Burris.
I would rather bring in a QB like McPherson who has been groomed behind Cavillo, Trestman and Millanovich.
So, yes I agree Burris could take us to the Grey Cup in the very short term future, but I would rather have a QB in place where if we don't get into a GC next year but have stability for years to come and multiple Grey Cup appearances.
Although you would have to list all 19 Porter starts to convince me, I will add that at least 4 in 2008 were his rookie year on a very bad Ticat team and the games early in 2009 were on a team in transition. This years start was a nothing game according to Marcel treated more like a pre season game.
Game results can not be used to judge Porters progression rather a deeper look into the offensive game plan and structure is required to properly assess his growth.
Under Mike Gibson who I think did an amazing job working with Kevin Glenn, the offense was designed with only Kevin Glenn’s skill set considered. The same was true this past season under Khari Jones; however Coach Jones added some sets that Kevin Glenn could not manage with his limited abilities. The results were glaring.
Teams do not have a playbook book for each QB, although they do have a limited number of designed plays for the back up this is most times not enough when that QB is forced into service by injury.
The best way to describe this is the biggest difference that took place in BC this past season, if you want to look back at some of their games you will see that Lulay struggled because they had him playing as a straight 3 to 5 step drop back QB, once they adjusted and started to move the pocket allowing Lulay more freedom in his decisions and reads everything improved dramatically. A simple offensive adjustment, these are the things that NEVER happen in Hamilton.
So has Porter been given a fair chance to become number 1? No not with the offense we have used based on Glenn’s abilities and not with the desperation to win by the fans.
I believe had we never signed Kevin Glenn for the 2009 season we would be light years ahead of where we are now. Kevin Glenn managed .500 while here, IMO we would have done no worse had he never signed here.
Desperation in this organization from fans to the top has always been our demise.
justafan wrote:
"Desperation in this organization from fans to the top has always been our demise."
justafan: I think it's the opposite.
Glenn and Porter have been hanging around for three years and they are still here. Neither one has shown they can improve or take us to the Grey Cup. Same with the coaching. That's hardly desperation. More like a refusal to act.
If it had only been a year I would have thought we should hang on to Glenn and Porter to see how they do with a new HC and a different approach to game planning and QB use. But I have not seen much from either one (other than the time we beat Montreal with Porter three years ago) to conclude that they are any better than our record over the past three seasons.
I suspect there will be major changes with the QB situation, how our offence works and also the defence. In short the entire team game on-field strategy needs a major overhaul.
Thanks mr62cats
I saw desperation in the game day preparations, Coach Jones game plans would change completely from one game to the next and often they were not the best decisions. It’s only fair to assume that Marcel also played a part in these decisions.
When we beat BC in BC I couldn’t figure out why when Lulay rolled out or stepped out of the pocket the BC coaches could not see that the line seemed to have no clue as to where he was at any given time. I thought Wally’s crew had lost their minds limiting this very talented QB with such a lack of support. Well it turned out they found Lulay the support he required by adjusting and moving the pocket and they had not lost their minds and the rest is now history.
So here we are in Hamilton with Porter and Glenn desperately hoping one or the other will step up and lead us to the promised land, knowing full well that what we saw in 2010 with Mike Gibson was the maximum best anyone will ever get out of Glenn. So what do we do? We change OC. Jones tries to run a similar offense for Glenn but adds just enough that Glenn’s limitations over shadow his better skills.
We knew from 2010 exactly what Glenn could do yet we ask him to do things that these pro coaches should know he is not capable of doing? Ok that failed so we start to use Porter and we ask him to do the things that Kevin Glenn did, we ask Porter to be a drop back passer and as we noticed we did not give him the freedom to make his own decisions and reads or to run when the opportunity was there. Reviewing BC game film would be a great resource.
I think the past coaches missed the boat I think only Mike Gibson had Glenn figured out and the result was a 5000 yard career type season, but still not enough to overcome the .500 outcome. Jones tried but he wanted more from Glenn then is possible.
That said its time to move away from the Kevin Glenn team and unless another QB comes out of nowhere that can be instantly molded into what ever offense a new coach designs the team will be better off designing an offense that compliments our speedy receivers and Porters ability to run while the next QB is groomed as the future.
BC proved that the smallest adjustments can have huge returns.
I'm guessing it's the Calvillo being the best QB the league has ever seen that he thinks is unrealistic. While he is very good, I'm pretty sure I have seen at least a couple in the CFL who I would say were better.
Remember, longevity isn't everything.
Man, I sure wish we did.