Field Position And Penalties

Steve Milton sums up some field position stats in the Spec article below.

Ron Lancaster used to say that every hundred yards in penalties was equal to one opposing touch down. I would add that for every one hundred yards of field position you give up would equal a touch down.


This is ugly, This is chew off your arm in the morning so she doesn’t wake up ugly! :o

Give this metric a long look before you judge quarterback Jeremiah Masoli too harshly. The difference between where the Hamilton offence starts with the ball this season and where its opponent’s offence starts with the ball is a cumulative 980 yards — to the negative. This means Masoli and his crew have had to make up an average of 122.5 yards per game (or nearly 10 yards every possession) just to get back to the same starting points as the other team. Conversely, Bo Levi Mitchell has an average field-position head start of 100 yards per game on whichever quarterback his Stampeders are playing against.
The Ticat offence has taken the field 106 times, 102 of those on their own side of the field. In the four drive starts they’ve had from the other guys’ side of the 55-yard-line, they’ve scored three touchdowns. Two of those right-side-up possessions were in the 50-11 annihilation of Montreal. No other offence has started fewer than 11 times in the opponent’s end.
So why not make the climb steeper?
It’s obvious — how could it not be? — that the Tiger-Cats suffer from field-position issues. You’d think they wouldn’t want to compound the problem with preventable yardage losses. Yet, they are being flagged for an average of 97.8 yards in penalties per game, second to only Edmonton’s crime rate of 111.9 yards. Of the 72 Hamilton penalties accepted by the other team, a league-high 23 have been for procedure or offside, among the leading causes of coaches’ health problems.

Killer91 thanks for posting

Milton, for some reason, wont take the logical next step in the analysis:
Maybe, just maybe, its the system under the HC the franchise has currently hitched its wagon to that hamstrings their success ?
Other league DCs seem to be on to something.

When I read up on JJ system the article I read said that his system is great for scoring points, but is easy to counter and once countered there isn’t much you can do to change that fact in game.

That article was interesting, and sad. It makes sense though, teams that lose more then win often take far more penalties then other teams.

Do you have a link to the article?

So why aren’t teams able to stop his system outside their own 25 yards line? Or does he have two systems, one reserved for the red zone?

Bad teams take more penalties. Yeah, I think you’re probably right. But the question is, are they bad because they take more penalties, or do they take more penalties because they’re bad? I suspect the answer to that is … yes.

I don’t think our Special Teams Coached has helped us much.
Our kick returners have been average, I would like to see a specialist come in and return kicks ala Speedy a couple of seasons ago. Speedy was an improvement last game on punt returns but that’s not the solution. Maybe Williams full time return specialist again? - there would be value in that.
I don’t believe our kicker is very good at punting - I think his leg is strong but lacks the ability to pin returners to the side lines consistently allowing returns. (Though he has been working on that in last 2 games). We have been spoiled in recent years with our non-national kickers - Medlock and Castillo.

Here is a video with June Jones explaining run and shoot.

Never coached football, but I did coach hockey for many years. I found that if a player is “out skilled? he will attempt to even the difference outside the rules. In hockey, it is usually stick penalties - trips, hooks, slashes. Same thing if you ask a player to do something he is not able to do, meaning you have put him in a position to be “out skilled?.

If we have player consistently taking the same penalties, and we do, I think you have to ask yourself if you have put him into a situation where he is being outskilled. Offsides, procedures, early movement, illegal contact, PIs would be that type. Dead ball penalties, rough play penalties seem to me to be selfish and irresponsible, and are a matter of discipline. They are more easily corrected, I would think.

So next weeks game should have more flags than the United Nations building. Hopefully the Cats address the penalty issues already. Much harder to win when you are going in reverse for a 100 yards every game.

When we were playing lights out in the early part of 2015, the penalities the opposition was taking, was due to skill and pressure we would put on the other team.
Skilled teams take less penalites, cause they beat you on talent. Substandard teams/players have to cross the line; often resulting in penalties; which is further deterimental to the team.
Hockey actually was the exception as clutching and grabbing star players was a part of the culture and helped many unskilled players to stay in the game longer.
Finally product became so crap Gary and boys woke up. $$$

#poorcoaching #laidbackcoach #thekidsaredoingtheirbest #noconsequences

Everybody has a handle on the symptoms.

They are listed and monitored every week

When is time to talk about the illness and cure?

I don't see the jump to firing Jones. Jones is not running the special teams. I do see bringing in a new ST Co-Ordinator or having Orlando take that over possibly (But I don't know his experience there).

Is there not a Hawaiian connection to Reinbold? I'd be happy to see him back.

Jeff Reinebold is the special teams coordinator for the BC Lions!! :o You will see him back here for the September 29th game when we host BC. ;D

  1. LOL Johnny LOL :wink: :smiley: 8) Just Unreal, eh ?? LOL

Hasn't exactly been fire and brimstone coming out of the Head Coach's office to enact changes in that department either. Or anywhere for that matter.
Again ...symptoms...

It’s the defensive strategy teams are taking against us. Since our receivers are small and speedy, they play bend but don’t break. They try to keep everything in front of them and make the tackle on the small receiver. A bit more aggressive than the prevent but the same concept.

The thought process is the more plays the offense has to make to higher the chance they will make a mistake.

It’s one of the reasons Masoli’s Passing yards are so high each game. When he makes the right read and throw the yards are there. The D is counting on him to make a wrong decision, inaccurate pass, or miscommunication with a receiver.

Hi, new guy. Welcome to the forum. You seem to know what you're talking about. Hope to see more of your posts.

Makes sense. And I'm guessing that the closer the offence is to the goal line, the tighter the defence can and would play, due to less room behind them.