Expansion from the fans point of view

BMO Field barely has enough dates to accommodate the Argos and TFC. There wouldn’t be enough dates to fill in additional 9 homes games.

If they ever would consider multiple teams in a market (which I don’t think they will) Montreal once Olympic Stadium reopens would have 2 stadiums that can host a team… but that’s very unlikely to happen

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Your point was a fair one to make, so I checked (should have done that first!). Each weeked has 4 stadium time slots that can be used - Friday, Sat, Sun and Monday if needed. Having checked I dont believe availability would be an issue at all for 9 or 10 home games at BMO.
I dont think they will go for multi-team markets either, just not in the culture of the franchise owners (who think having a “monopoly” is what they need, nor is it in the culture or rules of the CFL. BUT, it should be considered. (Montreal is not a bad shout either, a rivalry there would / could work too).

Sorry, but it’s a ridiculous idea, do you think any investors/ownership group etc would even consider this?
And do you think a rival would be allowed to share that stadium? MLSE has paid for all the expansion to the stadium including the roof.
The TFC plays on weekends the Argos are not playing there.

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I believe 9 of the 18 Aussie Rules teams (watching the Grand Final I recorded) are centered around Melbourne and Sydney.

So it’s possible but it will take an awful lot of work.

Having the Argos at Varsity was the best opportunity for them but various bungling by individuals involved (mainly MLSE, NIMBYs, university chancellor bolting for the US for a better opportunity) sunk that deal.

BMO is a soccer stadium with a football field shoved in it).

Or the other option would have been when the Blue Jays moved to SkyDome the city should have renovated Exhibition Stadium back to a football only stadium.

City political short-sightedness at work.

What else is new.

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Somehow I don’t think the Argos would be on board

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And who is going to own this team ?

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He’s probably associated with that same phantom who owns that “traveling team” and the like dreams
:roll_eyes:

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Cfl has a vg product. In Edmonton, I would promote the product : close Stadium road to vehicles and have a night market, during game day. And. More promotions such as a Taylor Swift tickets raffle. And. Local Sports reporters’ wine and dine events. (Jackie Parker was good at it).
And. Much more Social media influencers. And. Use live band in the upper deck instead of the piped on music.

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A travelling team is a super bad idea - the very worst way to get a 10th team. The big problem is a travelling team is not committed to any fans or any city - they are nomads and everyone knows that they can and will move to anywhere that will cut a deal. Super high cost too, lousy for the players which makes it difficult to recruit, lousy for TV.

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Nobody sane was arguing for one please do note - I only mention it for an example of some of the harebrained ideas when otherwise better ones, however the longshot, do exist.

That idea was simply a ruse for the desire of a small few for a hub league, which we know already failed in the US recently.

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I am originally from Melbourne (a city about the same size as Toronto). It has 9 teams from the city playing out of 2 grounds (a big one outdoors 100,000 capacity and one with a roof with a capacity of 50,000).
Coming from a city with rival team is why I am aware of the local rivalry thing and how that adds to interest and coverage.
A second Toronto team will be good for the Argos, for a start every real Argos fan will hate them - the Argos will not loose any fans.
The CFL legal, financial and cultural barriers and risks are massive, but the rewards could be substantial.
As I said early on, the CFL needs to grow the “pie” - this is one way it could be done. Maybe it is mad, but it is no more mad than standing still with 9 teams, 1 bye and 4 games a week.

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Who exactly is going to support this team financially. Also how many fans are they going to get. My god we can barely get enough for the Argos never mind a second team.If this second team can only get 5000-8000 fans a game , it would be better setting up shop in London which has an 8000 seat stadium that can easily be expanded. This way you have city that can build a fan base over time.

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There are some cultural differences between Australians and Canadians.

Australians support sports way better than Canadians.

Canadians support hockey but everything else is on shaky ground.

The other obvious non-cultural difference is the weather. In Canada we have constant arguments about when the season should take place. Some like snow and some don’t like -20 and colder weather. Australia doesn’t have the severe cold issue.

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Oh I didn’t know you’re from Melbourne. That’s cool.

Did you watch the Grand Final by any chance?

It would be neat to see an Aussie Rules game live someday.

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Yes I watched it. Not as good as last years :grinning: which was a close game and my team won. (I might be a bit biased about the better game thing driven by the result).
Back to topic, as someone else said above, climates are very different in both places so direct comparison is not possible - but we can learn from how other sports deal with similar problems.

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This is Naylor’s opinion of course

Based on a report from Mike Mitchell that 2025 could be the UFL’s last if there is not a significant improvement in relevancy.

If the league with Park Lane has owners who want to be the lone US based team for the foreseeable future then it could work in the east and then if Halifax, Quebec City ever happens the Battlehawks can be moved to the West.

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I’d take Mitchell’s article with a pound of salt. While he has a decent track record he tends to speculate more than anything. The merger caught all the “insiders” by surprise and with Fox effectively running the show, I doubt Mitchell has little to any contract with UFL higher ups

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Also I would note that Mitchell is probably the “best of the worst” of all those spring league fan boys who suddenly popped up on various blogs writing various drivel during especially the pandemic, though Mitchell now writes in a somewhat better capacity.

Before the UFL, there were routine false claims made by Mitchell and others to have inside access, and mostly shoring up the USFL trash hub league that it was, and then most of those bojacks finally disappearing late with all their hot air once the UFL wisely decided not to continue that trash hub league charade and you know, just have teams play in actual areas where named with an actual home venue, kind of like in our entire lives.
:roll_eyes:

All those bojacks and their remnants, travel team people with that ruse for a hub team too, can still eat dirt too.

But I do think Mitchell is spot on here with regards to the 2025 season for the UFL as make or break, but that’s not going far out on some limb at all, for EVERY season for a spring league is just that for the investors if things go way under expectation.

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And again you have forgotten the main reason why the expansion to Halifax fell apart 5 years ago – NO STADIUM !!

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Large cities certainly have had multiple teams in their respective sports–London for soccer, Melbourne for AFL, Sydney for NRL come to mind.
The difference is these teams represented neighbourhoods for decades and were amateur.
These clubs have had generations of fans follow them based on location of or social strata. The problem with a second team in Toronto is there is no traditional fan base to represent it.

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