Ellingson vs. Giguere

Sorry, can't help it!

Ellingson, --- rookie's first game, 6 catches 152 yards.

Giguere, 2nd season, 1 catch 7 yards ( and dropped ball of his face)

The whole Giguere thing gnaws on me a little. He just doesn't seem focused out there, as if his mind is partially elsewhere. Or does he lack confidence? Dunno what it is. :?

I so want this guy to be a star!

On the other hand, I think Ellingson will have a long, substantial career, and maybe even stardom if he can stay healthy. I've got a very good feeling about him. Dunno why, just a hunch.

I don't think Giguere has the route-running to create separation against good cover DBs or the hands to make contested catches with any consistency. But that's just my opinion.

Giguere is still reading the press clippings about how good he is and thinking about what could have been if he had made it to the NFL. He has not shown any of the talent we have read about in the papers.

It's not just your opinion d&p. I can't recall a CFL starting receiver who looked anywhere near as awkward as he regularly does trying to make a catch in close coverage.

Early last season, i said the guy was useless, and was chewed out for it.
Now people see what i saw a year ago.

Grant and Jones are also veterans who had only one catch each, but for some reason you didn't complain about them.

Ellingson made some great plays. It's worth noting that prior to spending a year in the Arena league, Ellingson played his college ball at a Division I school in Florida (FIU). Not all rookies are the same, shocker. Interestingly, FIU has a pretty strong academic reputation, and we've heard a lot about the need for players to be smart to thrive in Austin's offense.

Giguere is a special teams guy on any team CFL or NFL. And an excellent one at that. But will never be even a decent receiver in any league, below average. Dump this guy if you can TiCats, he ain't got it at any pro level as a receiver. People see this.

Completely agree!!

But it wasn't just the single catch in that game, it was also those two glaring mistakes he made on 2nd downs, and Jones and Grant have more than proven themselves already.

I think we're all expecting more form Giguere this year, but, it is only one game.... if it weren't for those two sloppy plays that just irked me.

Ellingson made some great plays. It's worth noting that prior to spending a year in the Arena league, Ellingson played his college ball at a Division I school in Florida (FIU). Not all rookies are the same, shocker. Interestingly, FIU has a pretty strong academic reputation, and we've heard a lot about the need for players to be smart to thrive in Austin's offense.
Agreed with everything you say here, and furthermore I'm not giving up on Giguere just yet. Still way too early for that. I'm eager to see changes and improvement in his game. Like I said, I so want him to be a star.

In only one game so far, I see a little of Fantuz in Ellingson style.

In Giguere, I'm reminded of Brock Ralph - lightning speed, but a lack of receiver's sense.

I'm guessing Fantuz will draw a fair bit more attention next week, and for good cause after putting up 155 & 30 more yards the the next best week 1 receiver. That should open things up for someone else!

I expect Giguere to run rampant next Sunday up in Guelph. If he doesn't ... then I'll hop aboard and "rôtir son oie" with everyone else!

For me I don’t think it is the players, so much as the positions and play calls. If we played Giguere at the other slot position opposite Fantuz. I think he would excel at that position just like Ellingson did against the Argos, maybe even a bit more because of his size and speed.

Now with that being said Sam did look a bit shaky on the pass that hit him in the face, but that could also be from lack of action all game. Kinda like a goalie in hockey where they don’t see any action for an entire period and then when they do see a few shots they let in a couple soft/weak ones.

I don’t want to make excuses for the guy because he is a professional but I think in the right position he could be a threat for us this season. It will be a tough decision to make seeing as Ellingson and Fantuz had phenomenal games so it may be hard to make a case for Sam to start in the middle.

Solid Take! :thup: :thup: :thup: Agree 100%!

as a long time fan I don't think Giguere has lived up to the hype he has received ..... I realize Burris dosen't throw the ball to him often or that he is the primary receiver on play calls.... it maybe because he dosen't create the necessary separation to be open or that he drops balls that are catchable like Friday night..... i'm getting the feeling that it might be time we gave a look see at C-CAMPEAU ..... in my opinion he's been more reliable in the limited action he has seen,,,,, Giguere may look great in practice but being a pro is not all about practice its about performing during game situations when the other team is playing for real....

Before we run Giguere out of town lets see what he can do at slot - which is what we were promised through camp- game one he lines up at WR with no explanation.

Well yes, I will say at slot with simple quick routes, get the ball to Giguere quick, with his speed he might be a force. I thought he might be a Pat Woodcock type but doesn't have the route running ability as said like Woodcock did, so it seems at this early point anyways.

Before this "route running" theory becomes internet chat room fact one should ask themselves does anyone think Austin and Condell would have a guy who cant run routes in their offense ?

Have you considered the fact that Giguere at slot may not be able to read defences and find the soft spot in the zone .... an essential key to playing slot.... that's why Fantuz and Stala or great recievers ..they find that soft spot .... that Burris sees and they sit down in the area for a reception ..a skill which Giguere may have not yet developed thus the reason why is at wide out....to clear the area and let guys like fantuz ellingson stala and jones catch the ball

Did'nt answer the question. Does Austin strike you as the kind of coach that would have a rec. in his offense that cant run routes ?

No. They must see something in him that they like apart from his known excellent speed and upper body strength.

Neither Austin nor Condell is infallible. Furthermore, no one said Giguere can't run routes. My feeling is that he's not quite good enough as a route-runner to get separation from his DB often enough to be a legit read. That's based purely on watching him, and not meant to be "chat room fact". If someone disagrees, that's their prerogative. And again, from watching him play, I haven't so far seen him display an ability to make contested catches in tight coverage, which would offset the route-running.