..current technology and the sidelines at gametime

[fleming-girl]

.....I've been thinking lately of all the communications technology available to the coaches during a game and wondering if the CFL is keeping up to it......and possible fan/spy involvement during a game.

For example, many fans now have the e-mail addresses to coaches or are on their Facebook accounts. Given human nature, I don't think it would be a stretch to think that, let's say, a fan of the Ticats is sitting really close to the visitor's bench one row up from the dugout and can clearly hear what the coaches are saying to their players.......and then sends a text message to the coach to tip them off. Or, let's say a visiting player is hurt on a play but it trying to hide it on his bench, but a fan close by sees this and sends a text to a coach.

Or, a coach is trying to discreetly draw up a play on a small whiteboard on the bench to show his players, but a fan snaps a cell phone photo and sends a text to the coach complete with a photo attachment ?

......thoughts?

[Ockham]

Why the two dots before the first word. Seriously. Is this an autism thing or something?

[_Banshee]

@"Ockham"

Why the two dots before the first word. Seriously. Is this an autism thing or something?

What a ridiculous and inappropriate thing to say.

[PAUL_STANLEY]

@"~Banshee~"

@"Ockham"

Why the two dots before the first word. Seriously. Is this an autism thing or something?

What a ridiculous and inappropriate thing to say.

And honestly, why does it bother you so much that you feel the need to comment about it on nearly his every post?!

[Ockham]

@"PAUL STANLEY"

@"~Banshee~"

@"Ockham"

Why the two dots before the first word. Seriously. Is this an autism thing or something?

What a ridiculous and inappropriate thing to say.

And honestly, why does it bother you so much that you feel the need to comment about it on nearly his every post?!

Excuse me? I comment on his nearly every post? That’s completely inaccurate and kills any credibility your criticism of my criticism may have.

My problem with deerhunter’s addiction to his deliberate misuse of the ellipsis comes from a concern for the greater good. It’s generally accepted writing skills have declined since the advent of the Internet (mine included). However, we do not need to encourage its decline. I’m not perfect yet see the need for efforts to maintain a standard of prose. If we don’t, in short order none of us will be able to communicate in the written word; perhaps the spoken word too. Do you want that? Can you imagine logging onto this site and not being able to comprehend what anyone is talking about?

I’m not perfect in my grammar or spelling, but at least I try. deerhunter’s unnecessary tendency to … his posts is harmful to many who read it. If you care about the next generation you’ll at least make an effort to use proper punctuation. If you don’t, then don’t complain when your child’s teacher sends home his/her essay remarking that it doesn’t meet minimum standards of comprehension. Don’t complain if they can’t get a job because they don’t know how to fill out an application without some ridiculous tendency such as “I like to golf…in the summer, LOL.”

[Massdestruction]

@"deerhunter"

…I’ve been thinking lately of all the communications technology available to the coaches during a game and wondering if the CFL is keeping up to it…and possible fan/spy involvement during a game.

For example, many fans now have the e-mail addresses to coaches or are on their Facebook accounts. Given human nature, I don’t think it would be a stretch to think that, let’s say, a fan of the Ticats is sitting really close to the visitor’s bench one row up from the dugout and can clearly hear what the coaches are saying to their players…and then sends a text message to the coach to tip them off. Or, let’s say a visiting player is hurt on a play but it trying to hide it on his bench, but a fan close by sees this and sends a text to a coach.

Or, a coach is trying to discreetly draw up a play on a small whiteboard on the bench to show his players, but a fan snaps a cell phone photo and sends a text to the coach complete with a photo attachment ?

…thoughts?

OK IMO- I don’t think a person could hear the conversation clearly enough for an opposing coach to make his decisions based on a fan text.
If a player is hurt they should not be on the field, at least for 3 plays, and everyone in the country would know it. Coaches _or winning coaches don’t base their strategy on knee jerk situations and they don’t draw up plays mid game, at least on offense. The white board is used by Defence coaches when trying to show their players what the opposing Offence is doing to them.

[Massdestruction]

Excuse me? I comment on his nearly every post? That's completely inaccurate and kills any credibility your criticism of my criticism may have.

My problem with deerhunter's addiction to his deliberate misuse of the ellipsis comes from a concern for the greater good. It's generally accepted writing skills have declined since the advent of the Internet (mine included). However, we do not need to encourage its decline. I'm not perfect yet see the need for efforts to maintain a standard of prose. If we don't, in short order none of us will be able to communicate in the written word; perhaps the spoken word too. Do you want that? Can you imagine logging onto this site and not being able to comprehend what anyone is talking about?

I'm not perfect in my grammar or spelling, but at least I try. deerhunter's unnecessary tendency to ......... his posts is harmful to many who read it. If you care about the next generation you'll at least make an effort to use proper punctuation. If you don't, then don't complain when your child's teacher sends home his/her essay remarking that it doesn't meet minimum standards of comprehension. Don't complain if they can't get a job because they don't know how to fill out an application without some ridiculous tendency such as "I like to golf..........in the summer, LOL."
[/quote]
Perhaps you could mention it to him/her in a P.M. and not on the forum. It is kind of like someone posting something unwanted on a facebook wall. but i agree lets TRY TO stick too propr gammr.

[_Banshee]

@"Ockham"

@"PAUL STANLEY"

And honestly, why does it bother you so much that you feel the need to comment about it on nearly his every post?!

Excuse me? I comment on his nearly every post? That’s completely inaccurate and kills any credibility your criticism of my criticism may have.

My problem with deerhunter’s addiction to his deliberate misuse of the ellipsis comes from a concern for the greater good. It’s generally accepted writing skills have declined since the advent of the Internet (mine included). However, we do not need to encourage its decline. I’m not perfect yet see the need for efforts to maintain a standard of prose. If we don’t, in short order none of us will be able to communicate in the written word; perhaps the spoken word too. Do you want that? Can you imagine logging onto this site and not being able to comprehend what anyone is talking about?

I’m not perfect in my grammar or spelling, but at least I try. deerhunter’s unnecessary tendency to … his posts is harmful to many who read it. If you care about the next generation you’ll at least make an effort to use proper punctuation. If you don’t, then don’t complain when your child’s teacher sends home his/her essay remarking that it doesn’t meet minimum standards of comprehension. Don’t complain if they can’t get a job because they don’t know how to fill out an application without some ridiculous tendency such as “I like to golf…in the summer, LOL.”

And exactly what does that have to do with autism?

[ronfromtigertown]

I am like you, Ockham,

I like to express myself in the best english that I can.

and I am sure deerhunter is too, after all, he has
had his writing published in a communty newspaper.

I don't know if you are aware of this, Ockham, but

Bob Young has come into this forum and explained that

he wants his forum to stimulate communication
between the people who come on to his website

and he feels that putting down a poster's grammar
can lead to some forum visitors not wanting to post.

That won't stop deerhunter but maybe it would be a good idea
for you to ease off making public comments about grammar.

P.S.

I learned the word for what I do when I "cut and paste"
parts a person's post or an article in the newspaper.

"ellipsis" Thanks, Ockham

(?-l?p's?s) n., pl., -ses (-s?z).

The omission of a word or phrase

necessary for a complete syntactical construction

but not necessary for understanding.

An example of such omission.
A mark or series of marks ( . . . or * * * , for example)
used in writing or printing to indicate an omission,

especially of letters or words.

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[Ockham]

We're all a big family here so I have everyone's best interests in mind. I don't criticize everyone's grammar like some haughty English teacher. However, there is a minimum standard to the Queen's English that we should all aspire. For example, Mark is a university professor. I expect a high level of grammar from him. Of course we have many steelworkers and blue collar tradesmen who don't need a high skill level in written word for their craft. My criticism derives from deerhunter's obvious awareness of proper punctuation yet his deliberate abuse of the common rules of diction. This is your and your children's good I'm trying to protect. Do we need a generation of idiots? Do we want to reduce our language to nonsensical dirt? If you want your kids to flunk out of school and be disregarded for good jobs, then continue your blind eye to language inconoclasts like deer........hunter.

[Mikefrmthhammer]

@"Ockham"

We’re all a big family here so I have everyone’s best interests in mind. I don’t criticize everyone’s grammar like some haughty English teacher. However, there is a minimum standard to the Queen’s English that we should all aspire. For example, Mark is a university professor. I expect a high level of grammar from him. Of course we have many steelworkers and blue collar tradesmen who don’t need a high skill level in written word for their craft. My criticism derives from deerhunter’s obvious awareness of proper punctuation yet his deliberate abuse of the common rules of diction. This is your and your children’s good I’m trying to protect. Do we need a generation of idiots? Do we want to reduce our language to nonsensical dirt? If you want your kids to flunk out of school and be disregarded for good jobs, then continue your blind eye to language inconoclasts like deer…hunter.

While I agree we should all aspire to using English properly, to put someone down by implying he has autism is not the preferred, or desirable, way of achieving this goal. Merely pointing out that you believe he is using English incorrectly, and explaining why, would likely be a more successful method of encouraging correct usage.

[Ockham]

I didn't imply deer.........hunter has autism, just asked if that was the cause. I've asked what the incessant need for all the ..............is in the past without an answer.

[PAUL_STANLEY]

@"Ockham"

Excuse me? I comment on his nearly every post? That’s completely inaccurate and kills any credibility your criticism of my criticism may have.

My problem with deerhunter’s addiction to his deliberate misuse of the ellipsis comes from a concern for the greater good. It’s generally accepted writing skills have declined since the advent of the Internet (mine included). However, we do not need to encourage its decline. I’m not perfect yet see the need for efforts to maintain a standard of prose. If we don’t, in short order none of us will be able to communicate in the written word; perhaps the spoken word too. Do you want that? Can you imagine logging onto this site and not being able to comprehend what anyone is talking about?

I’m not perfect in my grammar or spelling, but at least I try. deerhunter’s unnecessary tendency to … his posts is harmful to many who read it. If you care about the next generation you’ll at least make an effort to use proper punctuation. If you don’t, then don’t complain when your child’s teacher sends home his/her essay remarking that it doesn’t meet minimum standards of comprehension. Don’t complain if they can’t get a job because they don’t know how to fill out an application without some ridiculous tendency such as “I like to golf…in the summer, LOL.”

Excuse you? OK, since you asked so politely, I will. But I know that I have read you comment about it AT LEAST 3-4 times (I was exaggerating for effect). As a former teacher, I can agree with you in principle, but I really think you should give it a rest over such a small issue on a fan forum chat board…ESPECIALLY with the personal insults!

[Mark]

@"Ockham"

For example, Mark is a university professor. I expect a high level of grammar from him.

I have been put “on warning”. :oops: Hey, if I give it out when I’m grading papers then I should be prepared to accept it in here. However, I’m a bit of a poet as well and those of us with artistic streaks tend toward the avant-garde in our communiques. By the way… (oops) does ANYBODY remember what this thread was about?

[Wilf]

Mark, this thread was about sideline spying, but that subject disappeared quickly, like so many others.

I dread these threads that criticize someone's postings, while purporting to be on the high ground.

We all make mistakes. We all post in a style that we like to think shows our individuality. But little things creep in.
For instance, I recently read the following....(!) " There is a minimum standard to the Queen's English that we should all aspire."
Of course, to be correct. that should read,,," There is a minimum standard to the Queen's English to which we should all aspire." But, I'd be nitpicking if I made a point of criticizing the writer of that, It happens to us all.

Oh, if only we could be more tolerant. Mark, you would recognize this admonition...."Let him who is without sin.... "

[alexand3r]

Wow.

All kids want to do is play video games and text each other. My daughter had a sleepover, and they all text each other on their DS''s. From the same room.

The problem I find, is kids don't need to read anymore. I have always encouraged mine to. Read to them at night, and when they were too old for that I bought them books and forced them to read. Forced them.

For example, when Tori wanted to watch "Twilight", I felt it was too old for her. When she complained all her friends in her class had already seen it (or saw it....????) I bought her the book and told her to do it up. See it in your mind I said. I didnt let her watch it until she read it first.

Tanner is almost 18 and types "laugh out loud" instead of "lol" when he texts me. I respond, "Thats sarcassim isnt it son?" and hope he corrects my spelling. He doesn't.

I'm personally discouraged by the decline of grammar this day and age. Not so offended I'd call Deerhunter out for it, but I can sympathize with Ockhams feelings. I won't allow it in my own children.

The world has moved on.

Ockham, Deerhunters post wasn't filled with mistakes. Far as I can tell it only had one, but I aint no Univeristy Proffesor.

[Mark]

@"Wilf"

Mark, this thread was about sideline spying, but that subject disappeared quickly, like so many others.

I dread these threads that criticize someone’s postings, while purporting to be on the high ground.

We all make mistakes. We all post in a style that we like to think shows our individuality. But little things creep in.
For instance, I recently read the following…(!) " There is a minimum standard to the Queen’s English that we should all aspire."
Of course, to be correct. that should read," There is a minimum standard to the Queen’s English to which we should all aspire." But, I’d be nitpicking if I made a point of criticizing the writer of that, It happens to us all.

Oh, if only we could be more tolerant. Mark, you would recognize this admonition…"Let him who is without sin… "

Or is that, “all should aspire?”

[Ockham]

My intention is not to criticize or insult, but to inquire. What is the purpose of the two dots on this thread's title?

[Wilf]

Ockham, to answer your question, there is no purpose to the dots in the title. It's simply deerhunter's way of introducing his subject. Call it his signature font and let it go at that. No big deal.

Mark. you are correct. In my haste to correct somebody else, I made my own slip. Mea Culpa.

Let's look for a minute at this whole exercise of criticizing other poster's syntax. If we were having a face-to-face conversation, this kind of thing would never happen. I would listen to what you say. digest the meaning of your statements, and form my reply. It would never occur to either of us to look for tiny errors in the use of language.

Maybe thatis the way entries here should be looked at. Maybe when you read a post, if you could visualize the writer actually speaking to you, you would simply grasp the message without being picky about the construction of the sentence.

That is what I try to do. For instance, when I read your correction of my entry, I could visualize you looking at your keyboard with a smile on your face, and the word "Gotcha" on your lips!

Keep well, my friends......

[_Banshee]

@"Ockham"

I didn’t imply deer…hunter has autism, just asked if that was the cause. I’ve asked what the incessant need for all the …is in the past without an answer.

Perhaps it wasn’t your intention to imply deerhunter has autism, but it certainly came across that way. My question is why bring autism into the discussion at all? For those of us touched by autism, it is very off-putting to see the condition bandied about as a way to belittle another poster for something you perceive as incorrect or annoying. I don’t see the correlation between using (…) and autism and I sincerely wish that the only affliction my nephew suffered from his autism was using (…) in online posts, but sadly that is not the case. I was flipping channels last night and saw some unknown talk show guest making jokes about autism. I guess some people think that’s acceptable, but for some of us it’s not funny at all.

Sorry that your thread jumped the shark deerhunter, I think that if someone wants to be sneaky enough to spy there are ways it can be done using the technology available today. There are always going to be those people who do not want to work for what they get and want to take the easy road. I don’t know that there is any way this can be completely prevented.